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Appendiceal Abscess| Percutaneous Catheter Drainage (Hydrodissection)
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Case 11: Bleeding Tracheostomy Site | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Case- May Thurner Syndrome | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
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MR Angiography | Determining the Endpoints of CLI Interventions
MR Angiography | Determining the Endpoints of CLI Interventions
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Pulmonary Ablation | Interventional Oncology
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Case 7: Retroperitoneal Hematoma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Geniculate Artery Embolization - Frozen Shoulder | Geniculate Artery Embolization for Arthritic Pain Why How & Results
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Kidney lesion | Cryoablation Case | Ablations: Cryo, Microwave, & RFA
Kidney lesion | Cryoablation Case | Ablations: Cryo, Microwave, & RFA
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Case 9: Embolizing a Pseudoaneurysm Rrising from the Branch of the Inferior Epigastric Artery | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Case 4a: Renal Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 4a: Renal Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Malignant melanoma, liver metastases | Cryoablation Case | Ablations: Cryo, Microwave, & RFA
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Other Non-invasive Ways to Image the Lymphatics  | Lymphatic Imaging & Interventions
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Case 5: Liver Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 5: Liver Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Why Interventional Oncology | Interventional Oncology
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Most common IR procedures and disease in China | Across the Pond: The state of Interventional Radiology in China
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Treatment Options | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
Treatment Options | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
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Case 8: Retroperitoneal Hematoma- Cover Stent | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Case 10: Peritoneal Hematoma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Background on Interventional Oncology | Interventional Oncology
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Introduction - Percutaneous Fistula Creation | Pecutaneous Creation of Hemodialysis Fistulas
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Endoleak Case |
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Venous Insufficiency- Imaging | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
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Lymphatic Imaging Challenges | Lymphatic Imaging & Interventions
Lymphatic Imaging Challenges | Lymphatic Imaging & Interventions
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Transcript

to consider Dr.

Wang demonstrated very nicely a technique using a curled needle to get to difficult and challenging areas. In the operating room when surgeons need to get at something they use their hands, or they use a re-tractor. They reach in and they grab something and they move it. They get some lab pads and they move things open this place needs to get access to things.

We can do something similar, and when you think about what we do, our tools of the trade are wires and needles and catheters. So the other thing to consider is what we use quite often is how

Hydrodissection. You can see again in this example. In case here, here's a collection from an appendiceal lapses that has developed somewhat medial and inferior to the appendix, and the case demonstrates very nicely the limitations of working in

the deep pelvis. Multiple bowel loops blocking access anteriorly, you have the iliac vessels also blocking sort of a lateral approach. You have parts of the bony pelvis laterally posteriorly blocking as well as bowel loops posteriorly. So what we find often times in this case is just a simple technique.

The way I conceptualize this is like for those of you who deal with leaves in the fall, and get them off you drive way is like using a leaf blower and pushing things away. And you can effect that by simply placing a needle in this case we use a 20 gauge needle that we place into the retroperitoneal space anterior to the vessels just adjacent to the bowel loops.

It doesn't have to be more specific than that. It just has to be in that space that you want to expand, and we inject anywhere from 50 to 100ccs of fluid. In this case, just enough fluid to displace these bowel loops anteriorly and open up a little

tiny window here, that's maybe 5 millimeters or so, just enough to get a wire between the bowels and the vessels into that collection and then utilizing Seldinger technique liver catheter in place. So something, one of these tools to keep in the back of

your mind it's very simple to use again it's usually a cheaper needle, connected to some IV extension set to a 60cc syringe loaded up with normal saline and start blasting away. In most cases, if it's the retroperitoneal space, you wanna expand that space.

It's a confined space so collections along the ascending or descending segments of colon, it works very effectively. We use it all the time to displace colon away from renal tumors remove when we are performing ablations. As opposed to putting fluid into the peritoneal space, in which

case you are creating artificial ascites/g and that's much harder to displace bowel loops away cuz you're just putting fluid into a big bucket. What you wanna do in this case is you expand that retroperitoneal space and displace structures away. Think about this next time you're doing diagnostic work and you

see a large retroperitoneal hematoma you'll see how things get distorted and moved and displaced out of the way. You'll utilize in that technique in a more controlled fashion with hydrodissection.

my last case here you have a 54 year old patient recent case who had head and neck cancer who presents with severe bleeding from a tracheostomy alright for some bizarre reason we had two of these

in like a week all right kind of crazy so here's the CT scan you can see the asymmetry of the soft tissue this is a patient who had had a neck cancer was irradiated and hopefully what you can notice on the

right side of the screen is the the large white circles of contrast which really don't belong there they were considered to be pseudo aneurysms arising from the carotid artery all right that's evidence of a bleed he was

bleeding out of his tracheostomy site so here's a CTA I think the better image is the image on the right side of the screen the sagittal image and you can see the carotid artery coming up from the bottom and you can see that round

circle coming off of the carotid artery you guys see that so here's the angiogram all that stuff that is to the right to the you know kind of posterior to the right of the screen there it doesn't belong there that's just

contrast that's exiting the carotid artery this is a carotid blowout we'll call it okay just that word sounds bad all right so that's bad so another question right what do you want to do here

I think embolization is reasonable but probably not the thing we can do the fastest to present a patient to treat a patient is bleeding out of the tracheostomy site so in this particular case this is a great covered stent case

alright and here's what it looked like after so we can go right up and just literally a cover sent right across the origin of that pseudoaneurysm and address the patient's bleeding alright

now other causes this is a little bit different different scenario here but it's not always just as simple as all

there's leaky valves in the gonadal vein that are causing these symptoms this is 38 year old Lafleur extremity swelling presented to our vein clinic has evolved our varicosities once you start to discuss other symptoms she does have

pelvic pain happiness so we're concerned about about pelvic congestion and I'll mention here that if I hear someone with exactly the classic symptoms I won't necessarily get a CT scan or an MRI because again that'll give me secondary

evidence and it won't tell me whether the veins are actually incompetent or not and so you know I have a discussion with the patient and if they are deathly afraid of having a procedure and don't want to have a catheter that goes

through the heart to evaluate veins then we get cross-sectional imaging and we'll look for secondary evidence if we have the secondary evidence then sometimes those patients feel more comfortable going through a procedure some patients

on the other hand will say well if it's not really gonna tell me whether the veins incompetent or not why don't we just do the vena Graham and we'll get the the definite answer whether there's incompetence or not and you'll be able

to treat it at the same time so in this case we did get imaging she wanted to take a look and it was you know shame on me because it's it's a good thing we did because this is not the typical case for pelvic venous congestion what we found

is evidence of mather nur and so mather nur is compression of the left common iliac vein by the right common iliac artery and what that can do is cause back up of pressure you'll see her huge verax here and here for you guys

huge verax in that same spot and so this lady has symptoms of pelvic venous congestion but it's not because of valvular incompetence it's because of venous outflow obstruction so Mather 'nor like I mentioned is compression of

that left common iliac vein from the right common iliac artery as shown here and if you remember on the cartoon slide for pelvic congestion I'm showing a dilated gonna delve a non the left here but in this case we have obstruction of

the common iliac vein that's causing back up of pressure the blood wants to sort of decompress itself or flow elsewhere and so it backed up into the internal iliac veins and are causing her symptoms along with her of all of our

varicosities and just a slide describing everything i just said so i don't think we have to reiterate that the treatments could you go back one on that I think I did skip over that treatments from a thern er really are also endovascular

it's really basically treating that that compression portion and decompressing the the pelvic system and so here's our vena Graham you can see that huge verax down at the bottom and an occluded iliac vein so classic Mather nur but causing

that pelvic varicosity and the pelvic congestion see huge pelvic laterals in pelvic varicosities once we were able to catheterize through and stent you see no more varicosity because it doesn't have to flow that way it flows through the

way that that it was intended through the iliac vein once it's open she came back to clinic a week later significant improvement in symptoms did not treat any of the gonadal veins this was just a venous obstruction causing the increased

pressure and symptoms of pelvic vein congestion how good how good are we at

very helpful these patients the calcium this and the vessels can be

seen through with the MRA it doesn't it doesn't cause as much artifact so it could be easier to see what's going on in calcified vessels additionally you saw an image in Marc's talk as well of this is an example of a time-resolved

image of an MRA or you can basically recreate exactly what you're seeing in an angiogram and this could be very helpful to kind of determine what kind of TVL disease you're getting yourself into

newer MRI techniques that we're using in the evaluation patients with PID functional MRI which compares the ratio of how much oxygen versus deoxygenated hemoglobin we have in a tissue so we can apply this to a pre and post exercise

scenario in patients to have claudication as well although it's not it's only approved in research protocols this is an example of what you see for that so pre intervention here's the CTA image reconstruct

in 3d with a long segment an iliac occlusion and then post intervention you can see there's a standard reconstructed vessel and the you can both chart this out and do it and superimpose it on the MRA image and you're gonna get an actual

quantitative amount of tissue reperfusion but studies are still ongoing to determine just how much increasing the amount of red that's in that image is important we don't know the answer to that yet here's just

another example a patient underwent an anterior tibial artery recanalization and you can see the improvement in the t2 star which is just one of the one of the measurements that you can use on these images so what's on the horizon

blasian it's well tolerated and folks with advanced pulmonary disease there's a prospective trial that showed that

there are pulmonary function does not really change after an ablation but the important part here is a lot of these folks who are not candidates for surgical resection have bad hearts a bad coronary disease and bad lungs to where

a lot of times that's actually their biggest risk not their small little lung cancer and you can see these two lines here the this is someone who dr. du Puy studied ablation and what happens if you recur and how your survival matches that

and turns out that if you recur and in if you don't actually a lot of times this file is very similar because these folks are such high risk for mortality outside or even their cancer so patient selection is really important for this

where do we use it primary metastatic lesions essentially once we feel that someone is not a good surgical candidate and they have maintained pulmonary function they have a reasonable chance for surviving a long

time we'll convert them to being an ablation candidate here's an example of a young woman who had a metastatic colorectal met that was treated with SPRT and it continued to grow and was avid so you can see the little nodule

and then the lower lobe and we paste the placement prone and we'd Vance a cryo plugs in this case of microwave probe into it and you turn off about three to five minutes and it's usually sufficient to burn it it cavitate s-- afterwards

which is expected but if you follow it over time the lesion looks like this and you say okay fine did it even work but if you do a PET scan you'll see that there's no actually activity in there and that's usually pretty definitive for

those small lesions like that about three centimeters is the most that will treat in a lot of the most attic patients but you can certainly go a little bit larger here's her follow-up actually two years

that had no recurrence so what do you do when you have something like this so this is encasing the entire left upper lobe this patient underwent radiation therapy had a low area of residual activity we followed it and it turns out

that ended up being positive on a biopsy for additional cancer so now we're playing cleanup which is that Salvage I mentioned earlier we actually fuse the PET scan with the on table procedural CT so we know which part of all that

consolidated lung to target we place our probes and this is what looks like afterwards it's a big hole this is what happens when you microwave a blade previously radiated tissue having said that this

was a young patient who had no other options and this is the only side of disease this is probably an okay complication for that patient to undergo so if you follow up with a PET scan three months later there's no residual

activity and that patient actually never recurred at that site so what about

all right another patient 52 year old patient ATV accident we get a lot of

lunatics on ATVs in our area and they presented with severe back pain here's the cat scan you see that white thing kind of in the back on the right side it almost looks exactly like that liver one I showed you two patients ago the

difference is that that's not conscious that's a part of the patient's bone that's the spine that fractured off and is now sitting in the middle of a big hematoma so that's why my kids don't have ATVs all right so basically that's

a big retroperitoneal hematoma due to a transverse process fracture all right in light of an ATV injury here's the angiogram now look at the picture on the left first that's an aorta gram you see the renal

artery at the top you see the bifurcation of the aorta kind of in the middle going down to each side and maybe just on that first image you see a hint of maybe some cloudy extravasated on the left side of the spine excuse me the

right side of the spine the left side of the image now remember I just I know I keep hammering this point home but you need the delayed image to make the diagnosis that's normally going to tell you if there's a real problem and on

that image on the right which is a bit more delayed you can see the extravagant Rast next to where the spine was that's an injury that's a lumbar artery injury and as we get closer all right we put a micro catheter in that lumbar artery now

you see the extraction and the question always comes up how much of that space do we need to fill that's an abnormal space that's just receiving all the blood that's leaking out of the artery and basically we don't have to fill all

of it we try we try to but it takes a lot to fill that up so we'll go in there you can see we put a lot of coils in this space and then we started packing coils back into the artery that was injured and I know it looks really big

on that image but if you go back into a finally orna gram you can appreciate that we were in a very small artery there but the technology that we have now allows us to get very far into very small arteries and that I think is

what's changed over the 20 years that I've been doing this at the very beginning of my career we wouldn't think about doing any of these things since we didn't have the tools to get that far out we had to

embolize these vessels very close to their origin and that led to a failure rate and an adverse injury rate that we don't see now that we can get this far out keypoint another case we have an older

with shoulder I'll go through this hopefully in five five minutes and I'll be under like 20 so frozen shoulder we're going to shift gears so unlike

arthritis frozen shoulder is an inflammatory condition that starts out of nowhere the classic history is a 35 to 45 year old woman who wakes up in the morning and says my shoulder hurts they think they slept on it incorrectly and

the pain does not go away they take medication doesn't go away the pain is worse at night and they can't figure out why it takes him about a month or two to go to orthopedic surgeon the surgeon goes you have frozen

shoulder they can't lift their arm forward they can't lift it laterally and basically it hurts over the shoulder they don't have a rotator cuff tear they don't have an injury they're not a baseball pitcher these are just average

people who are otherwise normally healthy except sometimes it occurs in certain patient populations it's a very prevalent disease and these are some of the risk factors so being female sorry that's an increased risk factor type 1

type 2 diabetics patients with hyperthyroidism even people who have autoimmune disease because there's some inflammatory process going on there are multiple stages one to four like in every disease of course early on it's

just inflammation but you'll see as you get to stage four you get these adhesions and stiffness in the shoulder so if you see someone who's a year out from this diagnosis who's really slobbing symptoms they cannot lift

they're on many of these patients walk around just like this and you they'll go to shake their hand they can't even get their hand out any further than that and so it can be a really progressive disease and really disabling to be

honest on MRI you can see findings that suggest this so on the top two images there are arrows that show exactly what I showed you in the knee this is thickening of basically the lining of the shoulder and they see this actually

even when they do arthroscopy and they actually put a camera inside the joint in these people with frozen shoulder as well remember I showed you this slide earlier exactly what we know more blood vessels in the lining in patients with

frozen shoulder than not more nerves more blood vessels what's been done on frozen shoulder has this been done well that same doctor in Japan dr. Okun Oh had published a study a number of years ago where in 24 patients he injected the

same antibiotic and 2/3 of these patients got rapid pain relief just one week after the after the procedure he analyzed the show and 87% at a month and there was basically no worsening or recurrences in

these patients out to 36 months so very good very good results but again we wanted to replicate that here in the United States so we applied to the FDA for an investigational device exemption study we're performing this study

actually it's sponsored by Tomo and we're enrolling patients who have a diagnosis of frozen children were working very closely with an orthopedic surgeon who just specializes in shoulder joints he's actually a very well

recognized shoulder surgeon so these patients like our knee patients have to be refractory to something and what we're looking for and this is a patient in in our clinical study is that red arrow on the Left points to an image

where that synovium enhances and on the right where the synovium is thickened and same thing here this is a case where it's even worse you can even see that white capsule all the way around the joint very prominent enhancement the

problem with shoulder embolization and we thought this would be great we do all our cases radial for life you know we'll do prostates uterine fibroids y9t we're like this is gonna be great we only have to go from here to here and

everything's gonna be fantastic the problem is you'll see here from this angiogram just at the subclavian artery is that all the vessels come off pointed towards the hand nothing really comes off when you're going this way so

unfortunately when you're going in with your catheter everything looks like you're gonna be going you know reverse and that can make things really painful and you need a 2o French catheter to get into these because they're so small and

they don't make very many - Oh French pre-curved or pre shaped catheters so you have all these challenges that we thought were gonna be we didn't realize in the beginning and the other thing is write everything now has made radial -

coronary or radial two legs or radial - pelvis or celiac but the distance is you can imagine from here to here I need a 90 centimeter based catheter in a 110 or 120 micro catheter I don't really you know people make 80s and 80s aren't long

enough and people make one 10s and they're too long and so we really found this to be actually fairly more difficult than we realized there are also six arteries that you have to get into in the shoulder so it's very

tedious and you have to get into all these and when you're injecting embolic in and around the vertebral artery and you guys recognize that on the image that's on the screen that's the largest artery there so if you're going to get

reflux you want to avoid of course having a stroke so especially in these younger female patients over 35 to 45 and you're taking something and put at risk so it can be a little bit more of a challenging procedure and obviously

if you have you know physicians and a team who are used to doing things like prostate and advanced celiac embolization for example you know that kind of team will be used to this but they're definitely more challenges than

we realized and so there are six arteries that we have to get into and you can see that third one of how tiny that is and I'll go through all these really quickly this is the suprascapular artery okay this is the first branch we

actually just number them one to six and you could see over that shoulder on the left look how hyper vascular that's actually worse than the knee that's pre-imposed embolization okay this is the throttle acromial artery the

throttle chromia artery as you can imagine goes to the acromion process and the shoulder and you can see on the left it sort of drapes over the shoulder as that hyper vascularity this is the coracoid artery you will not

find this artery in any anatomic textbook anywhere when I flew to Japan to work with dr. Okun oh when I went there and he's like we're going into the coracoid I'm like where is this I'm sitting there on my cellphone like while

he's doing the case looking up the cord under I couldn't find it anywhere looked in Grey's Anatomy looked at oof lockers masculine angio textbook it's nowhere it exists and just like you think it goes right to the coracoid

process which you can see on the image on the right and you can see the degree of vascularity and it's responsible for this anterior pain that patients feel and here's the circumflex scapular artery most of you have probably seen

this in some form or another and as you can see it goes to the inferior aspect of the shoulder so that goes to the bottom of the capsule on the right you can see how it's coming right under the humeral head and then there's the

anterior and posterior humeral circumflex arteries one in front of the humeral head one behind the Hume right so these six arteries we have to get into and we have to figure out which are hyper vascular and that embolized them

and of course like in prostate like in every other place is going to be aberrant anatomy our very first case we go into I came back from Japan we're all excited to start the clinical trial I'm looking for the I'm looking for the

suprascapular artery and lo and behold it comes off the lean of the Lima and I'm like oh that's interesting you know how the heck we're getting in this and so you run into these challenges just like in any other situation and so we're

learning we're getting through this and learning about this patient population as well I will tell you so we don't I don't have any preliminary data to share because we just have done eight patients out of 20 but all but one had a dramatic

improvement I mean even far better than our knee patients they're coming in there like 10 out of 10 they're like do this I had a patient we made a video because she wants to show her orthopedic surgeon if her arms just throwing around

like this and she was like dancing in my office and I'm texting and pictures it's really remarkable and what's great about this is there's no treatment option so orthopedic surgeons said them to go get physical therapy take pain meds there's

nothing to do for these patients so this is a real opportunity hopefully by the end of you know this year we'll be finished and rolling and following up on these patients and we're hoping by maybe early 2020 which is not too far away

you'll probably see an fda-approved product even for the embolization so things are moving pretty quickly and just as just one case again if someone who has severe superior labral pain you can see the image on the right how

densely standing or vasco's it's very easy to see and I'll challenge you when you go back and you're doing a leg angiogram and you look and they do a run off and you see staining around the knee or some of that blush just reach over

and ask the patient and palpate right where it is and go do you have pain right here and I'll bet you they'll say yes you never really would have paid attention at any time before and now we do it kind of for fun when we're doing

our run offs for other reasons of course for CLI etc but it's really interesting and you'll go back and see that so in conclusion embolization really is an exciting has an exciting future really in the setting of msk related pain there

will be need to be many more larger studies of course this is still investigational we do not tell people to go out and start doing this we need to really better understand how angiogenesis really affects these

disease processes and with that I will finish thanks very much [Music]

here we have a MRI that shows a lesion in the left kidney sorry I don't have a

pointer here really but you can see the lesion in the medial part of the left kidney there couple probes are placed under CT guidance you can already see the beginning of the formation of an ice ball there this is the second probe you

can see the ice ball forming and there's a good example of the ice ball it's got good coverage of the the lesion as well as a good margin around that cryoablation tends to be less detrimental to the collecting system of

the kidney so some of the concerns when you do renal ablation is that you're gonna cause your read or strictures or urine leaks because you're burning the collecting system essentially with cryoablation you tend not to see that

you don't have to use something called pilar profusion is often right the idea with pilo profusion is you put a small catheter into the ureter and you infuse the kidney with cold saline so that the collecting system stays cold while you

while you burn the tumor well you don't often times have to do that with cryoablation so that's one benefit of it and then this is a one month later scan this is the normal appearance you can see the ablation zone that and the

resolution of the tumor will follow these up for a few years to make sure that all that tissue goes away and this

so we kind of had a bunch of portal vein cases I think we'll stick with that theme and this is a 53 year old woman who presented to the emergency room with severe abdominal pain about three hours after she ate lunch she had a ruin why two weeks prior the medications were

really non-contributory and she had a high lactic acid so she they won her a tan on consi t scan and this is you can see back on the date which is two years ago or a year and a half ago we're still seeing her now and follow-up and there

was a suggestion that the portal vein was thrombosed even on the non con scan so we went ahead and got a duplex and actually the ER got one and confirmed that portal vein was occluded so they consulted us and we had this kind of

debate about what the next step might be and so we decided well like all these patients we'll put her on some anticoagulation and see how she does her pain improved and her lactate normalized but two days later when she tried to eat

a little bit of food she became severely symptomatic although her lactate remain normal she actually became hypotensive had severe abdominal pain and realized that she couldn't eat anything so then the question comes what do you do for

this we did get an MRA and you can see if there's extensive portal vein thrombus coming through the entire portal vein extending into the smv so what do we do here in the decision this is something that we do a good bit of

but these cases can get a little complicated we decided that would make a would make an attempt to thrombolysis with low-dose lytx the problem is she's only two weeks out of a major abdominal surgery but she did have recurrent

anorexia and significant pain we talked about trying to do this mechanically and I'd be interested to hear from our panel later but primary mechanical portal vein thrombus to me is oftentimes hard to establish really good flow based on our

prior results we felt we need some thrombolysis so we started her decided to access the portal vein trance of Pataca lee and you can see this large amount of clot we see some meds and tera collaterals later i'll show you the SMB

and and so we have a wire we have a wide get a wire in put a catheter in and here we are coming down and essentially decide to try a little bit of TPA and a moderate dose and we went this was late in the afternoon so we figured it would

just go for about ten or twelve hours and see what happened she returned to the IRS suite the following day for a lysis check and at that what we normally do in these cases is is and she likes a good bit but you can see there's still

not much intrahepatic flow and there's a lot of clots still present it's a little hard to catheterize her portal vein here we are going down in the SMB there's a stenosis there I'm not sure if that's secondary to her surgery but there's a

relatively tight stenosis there so we balloon that and then given the persistent clot burden we decide to create a tips to help her along so here we are coming transit paddock we have a little bit of open portal vein still not

great flow in the portal vein but we're able to pass a needle we have a catheter there so we can O pacify and and pass a needle in and here we are creating the tips in this particular situation we decide to create a small tips not use a

covered stent decide to use a bare metal stent and make it small with the hope that maybe it'll thrombosed in time we wouldn't have to deal with the long-term problems with having a shunt but we could restore flow and let that vein

remodel so now we're into the second day and this is you know we do this intermittently but for us this is not something most of the patients we can manage with anticoagulation so we do this tips but again the problem here is

a still significant clot in the portal vein and even with the tips we're not seeing much intrahepatic flow so we use some smart stance and we think we could do it with one we kind of miss align it so we

end up with the second one the trick Zieve taught me which is never to do it right the first time joking xiv and these are post tips and yo still not a lot of great flow in the portal vein in the smv

and really no intrahepatic flow so the question is do we leave that where do we go from here so at this point through our transit pata catheter we can pass an aspiration catheter and we can do this mechanical

aspiration of the right and left lobes you see us here vacuuming using this is with the Indigo system and we can go down the smv and do that this is a clot that we pull out after lysis that we still have still a lot of clot and now

when we do this run you see that s MV is open we're filling the right and left portal vein and we're able to open things up and and keep the the tips you see is small but it's enough I think to promote flow and with that much clot now

gone with that excellent flow we're not too worried about whether this tips goes down we coil our tract on the way out continue our own happened and then trance it kind of transfer over to anti platelets advanced or diet she does

pretty well she comes back for follow-up and the tips are still there it's open her portal vein remains widely Peyton she does have one year follow-up actually a year and a half out but here's her CT the tip shuts down the

portal vein stays widely Peyton the splenic vein widely Peyton she has a big hematoma here from our procedure unfortunately our diagnostic colleagues don't look at any of her old films and call that a tumor tell her that she

probably has a new HCC she panics unbeknownst to us even though we're following her she's in our office she ends up seeing an oncologist he says wait that doesn't seem to make sense he comes back to us this is 11 3 so

remember we did the procedure in 7 so this is five months later at the one year fault that hematoma is completely resolved and she's doing great asymptomatic so yeah the scope will effect right that's exactly right so so

in summary this is it's an interesting case a bit extreme that we often don't do these interventions but when we do I think creating the tips helps us here I think just having the tips alone wasn't going to be enough to remodel so we went

ahead and did the aspiration with it and in this case despite having a hematoma and all shams up resolved and she's a little bit of normal life now and we're still following up so thank you he's

60s year old patient with afib who fell and presented with abdominal pain and bruising in their anterior abdominal

wall for whatever reason we see a lot of these patients who come in with kind of bruising after they fall on their abdomen here you can see why hopefully you can see the big hematoma and the anterior abdominal wall so you can

imagine what this patient look like they have this kind of you know ball sized thing under their abdominal wall all right here's our angiogram in this particular case we went into the inferior epigastric artery which kind of

runs up from the pelvis up along the anterior abdominal wall you can see how small it is we were able to get a micro catheter in there and just in the middle just to the left of the middle of the picture you can see that kind of black

your circle that's again a pseudoaneurysm arising from the branch of the inferior epigastric artery and boom we can go in and coil it all right so that's what that looks like so now all of you kind of maybe I used to

sitting in the background we'll know when you're getting called in for these patients this is the type of pathology that we're looking at on CT and on angiography all right another patient 68 year old

similar but similar story an older patient who presented for a biopsy of a right renal mass now sometimes it's a skiing accident sometimes it's a car accident sometimes it's us that causes

these problems so here's a patient who came in for a biopsy of a renal mass here's the CT scan hopefully you can appreciate that the patient is face down or prone on this scan this by the spine is on the top side you can see our

biopsy needle going into a mass in the left kidney excuse me the right kidney and now this is the she comes back later because of some pain and now in a manner that's similar to what you said earlier on that first CT scan you can now see

the right kidney is pushed forward by a very large retroperitoneal hematoma so this is probably a post biopsy bleed this doesn't happen very often in fact as someone who does kidney biopsies once or twice every day I'm shocked that this

doesn't happen more often we're sticking big needles into vascular organs or vascular masses it's amazing that we don't have more patients come back for this it only happens about 2% of the time and usually people who have these

types of risk factors are at risk for this type of bleeding after a biopsy but we can do is we can go in do an angiogram and again I want you to just appreciate look at the picture I think everyone hopefully can see on the bottom

of the picture there's this active extrav enough contrast from the lower pol renal arteries all right lo pol renal artery and that's bad if it's great in a lecture because it's very easy for everyone to see but the reality

is it really signifies very significant bleeding and that's what everyone here should appreciate if you're managing the trauma patient or the bleeding patient if you see if this Cleary this clearly means everyone's got to move a little

faster to address it because this is a bad bleed but the great news is that we have the technology now to go all the way into the renal arteries or frankly the arteries of any organ get very far distant land just embolize it and so

look how far we got here for this patient we took care of it this patients kidney function didn't pump an inch because the reality is there was very little impact on the normal parts of the kidney so that's the goal if you guys

work with people who say oh we don't have to get that far out just throw some coils you know near the origin it's fine it'll accomplish the same goal but at the same time they will have killed half of the patients kidney so it is always

worth making some effort to get as far as you can into the organ that you're treating but at the same time you don't want to take an hour to do that because the patient's bleeding pretty heavily and you have to address it so that's our

goal during these procedures next case

here a little bit okay the ellipsis device Avenue medical from California developed by Jeff Howe in Richmond ultrasound imaging only don't need

fluoroscopy everybody in the room like staff they'd off to where lid you advance the needle into the either the very distal cephalic vein or through the actual perforator under ultrasound and once you're there you

follow the tip of the needle keeping it in the center of the lumen of the vein under ultrasound guided down to the point where it's just adjacent to the radial artery and then once you're adjacent to the radial artery this may

take a little bit of torquing of the needle but you know even putting in PICC lines for what 15 years 20 years so it's nothing not more difficult than that which is you know why I tell the fellows do the PICC lines you're not doing the

PICC lines just to do pickle and you're doing them so you can do these kinds of procedures then you puncture the radial artery then you get arterial blood flow you put a wire down and you get a sheath down and you put the device down I'll

show you the device in just a second it's called tissue welding it's an electronic device that creates a anastomosis doesn't really succumb to any problems with vascular wall calcifications usually takes just 30 to

45 minutes I did the last one the other day in 15 minutes and angioplasty the anastomosis immediately following the creation of the fissure with a 5 millimeter 1/8 balloon of your choice here's the device you can see it opens

up there's like a little bit of a window there and so it goes down through the vein it crosses over into the artery you're able to see this under ultrasound you position that window as you see on the right with the artery and wall the

vein artery vein and artery walls between that space and then the debate the device closes down on them then the machine will give you a reading of what the distances you push to the button and you got a fistula and it's very pretty

straightforward then you go ahead and balloon that with a five millimeter balloon to make sure the anastomosis is open and running and that's it then you pull out and you can compress with one finger you know on the vein and here's a

look at the the anatomic and that's office Jilla that it does create you know you don't mobilize there's no surgical trauma patient goes home with a couple of band-aids here's a dissection with ultrasound of the area that you're

working in there on the right you can see the perforator coming down it's sitting over the PRA the right proximal radial artery and that's right where you're going to make your puncture from one vessel into the other and this is

what you're left with on the left of course you see a big surgical scar from a prior creation of probably in the brachiocephalic fistula and on the right you can see the very prominent cephalic vein after fish through the creation

which is getting ready to to be punctured here's the illustration of what you've just done again perforating vein going down towards the radial artery create the fish stool and now you have a brachial artery down radial

artery so you have a radial proximal radial perforating vein fistula I don't know whether it hopefully it goes up the cephalic vein if it goes up the basilic vein you may have to consider doing transpositions or elevation to get that

vein in a position of yeah so that it can't be punctured here's another ultrasound from one of our cases again showing a nice you know red to blue flow of the fistula here's another one you know I have to see these a while you say

wow it's really pretty amazing and what we do is we get velocity measurements at the time of the procedure one week later then at four weeks later and at four weeks if they're not flowing at least 500 to 600 cc's a minute then we'll go

in and do a secondary balloon or something to get things going there's that same patients actually this is our patients arm it's a different patient and you can see the flow map there and when you see that diastolic component

got halfway up the systolic that means you're flowing at about 600 500 to 600 cc's a minute it's a good indication that you've got a you've created a fistula with working potential if you have to re intervene it's a radial

puncture you go right up the the radial artery I'm sure your dad is familiar with doing that for the most part and that goes right across that and ask Tomo system so if you have to dilate the anastomosis to get a larger you're in

good position if you have to go up and redirect flow by embolization of small collaterals nor the brachial veins now you can do that all from the the radius it's nice highway right up into the fistula

and here's the results of the FDA trial

the ablation concept in general is to provide an environment that is

completely hostile to tumor minus 40 degrees Celsius 150 degrees Celsius 500 gray which is a radiation dose we say it's very hard for it's about anything to survive but so why is it that it doesn't always work well that's a

function of all those parameters that you see there we got to make sure we pick the right patients we got to make sure that we treat tumor where we think it is and avoid trading things that don't need treatment avoid causing

damage to collateral structures and getting a reasonable margin where we actually get some of the tumor that's microscopic there are a lot of ablation modalities radiofrequency alternates electrical current very rapidly so that

generates friction within the lesion and causes heat it looks like this a lot of times you see these little times that stick out so that you can increase the size of your blasian zone and here's a one of those deployed in a patient who

had a colorectal Curren after hepatectomy cryoablation freezes things and it pushes a gas that once it goes through a pin hole tends to expand and cause rapid freezing he can also push another gas right through it and cause

rapid heating but this is just bringing tumors to that minus 20 degree minus 40 degree threshold the nice part about cryoablation is that you can visualize your ablation zone so we're right up against the bile duct here and it tends

to be a little more respectful of tissues so that's why cryoablation is chosen every once in a while we're do frequency ablation is an excellent tool we have lots of data for it but likes it sometimes it's difficult determine where

the ablation zone is interprocedural e microwave ablation there was just a randomized study that came out that compared microwave ablation to radiofrequency ablation and the results are very similar

it was a very very experienced institution doing it but the whole point here is that a lot of these tools work pretty well there's no clear superiority on them but one thing that microwave offers it's very fast so generates

temperatures to boiling within the tumor in about five minutes and so it's certainly very fast as compared to radiofrequency and you can see boiling happening within this tumor that's been accessed eventually there that gas is

actually literally fluid that is boiling away from the tumor couple of cool ones this one's reversal expiration what we do here is we place probes throughout the lesion and we pulse it to confuse the membrane on the cell to think that

it's a it has holes in it that it cannot close and so what is happening is the contents inside the cell leave and that's pretty much consistent with not being able to survive the nice part is we can accomplish all that without

thermal ablation what do we mean that we don't go over about 40 degrees Celsius so if something is involving a bile duct or involving a critical structure like the ureter it's not actually going to damage it it just basically tells all

the the cells within there to stop stop undergoing the cellular mechanisms responsible for life it's a little more finicky to place you have to place these little parallel probes here's one we did that was directly write on the

bifurcation of the main bile ducts and you can see here afterwards is an immediate post contrast scan how that whole area is ablative it does not take up contrast and this patient never developed biliary strictures that side

let's move on here is another patient who took a fall skiing we see a lot of these patients up in upstate New York and they presented with severe left-sided abdominal pain and here's the cat scan

all right who's up for it what do you think what looks bad you look like you're into it what do you think yeah the right the bottom right-hand side of the picture should be spleen and it just looks like a big pool of blood that's

pretty good you did pretty good spleens a little higher so we're gonna presume spleen is there Graham this is just one image one slice through the picture through the body so we're just not at the level of the spleen but that's the

kidney that's exactly right that white thing on the right side of the image of the patient's left side is the kidney and the one thing I'd like everyone who appreciates that doesn't look at all like the other side all right so when

you look at a cat-scan like this you want to look for symmetry that's really important all right that's the cool thing is we're kind of meant to be similar looking on both sides of our body and in this particular

case you can see that the left kidney has been pushed way forward in the body compared to the right side and there is a kind of a hematoma sitting in the retroperitoneum posterior behind the kidney that's bad

the other thing you should notice is if you look at that left kidney you notice that white squiggly line that doesn't belong there okay that's contrast that's not really constrained inside an artery that's extravagant of

contrast that's bad all right we don't want to see that all right again there's a grading system for renal trauma and you're gonna hear people talk about grade 1 2 3 4 injuries all right obviously as the number gets higher the

extents of the injury gets more significant all right so again here's that picture think you can appreciate that it's at least a grade 4 laceration of the kidney so we went in and we did an angiogram now we can watch these

patients we can surgically manage them by taking out their kidney in some ways that's the easy part excuse me it's a lot more elegant to try and embolize these patients if they're hemodynamically stable and can take you

know getting to angio and doing the case now in general we do embolization for patients with lower grade injuries and usually penetrating injuries a penetrating trauma that's seen on CT I think this is something that's changing

I if any of you work at high-volume trauma centers the reality is that we're doing more and more renal angiography for trauma than we used to because it's just becoming a more accepted thing for us to

be doing that all right so here's the angiogram and again I think you can notice it really correlates very well to what we saw on the CT scan you see that first image on the left and on the delayed image you see that that kind of

poorly constrained contrast going out into space now we were never really quite sure what this was if it was extravasation or if it was potentially an arteriovenous fistula with early filling of a renal vein regardless of

which it's not normal all right so what we did was we went in and we embolized and I only included this picture because I'm a big drawer during cases so when I'm working with a resident or a fellow I like to really

lay out our plan on a piece of paper and try and stick to the plan and this particular picture look really good so I included on the lecture but basically you can see that the coils the goal here for any embolization procedure

when it comes to trauma is to preserve as much of the normal organ as we can and to simply get you know to the source of the bleeding and to get it to stop and that's what we did there so what you can appreciate on this is kind of the

renal parenchyma or the tissue of the kidney is largely maintained you can see the dark black kind of blush within the kidney and all that really stands for properly working kidney all right and yet we embolize the pathology so that's

our goal here's a similar patient not

is example as I mentioned about doing very large ablation so this is a lady who hadn't malignant melanoma and she

had metastases to liver we basically placed six probes into this mass as you can see there on that CT the image on the right is the appearance of those six probes it's all excited about how many probes I placed in this patient

like it's a game and then I just watched an ablation talk with a guy put 16 in so that didn't really make me feel much better so so we have six probes here and you can see what we what you do when you have lesions that are in the soft

tissues and you're worried about freezing to the skin you can have injury to the skin right essentially frostburn and so frostbite sorry and so what you can do is you can take either a warm glove fill it up with saline and put it

with the fingers amongst the probes so it keeps the skin warm because you don't want to freeze the skin or what people are doing sometimes as well as they've just put some gauze around all the probes and they spray that goes with

warm saline I just take one of those leader bags of saline put it in the microwave for a couple minutes and then just fill fill the bowl up with it and just spray the gauze on that or you can do the glove technique the main idea

here once again is you don't want to get skin injury when you do these and as you can see a pretty sizable ablation around that entire tumor you can even see the lightening sign which is the low attenuation sort of lightening looking

structures within the ice ball which is cracking of the ice ball as you form but you will see what this is immediately after the procedure the patient will have a very hard ice ball under their chest and it takes about an hour

for that to melt so if you notice bleeding off towards or what is perceived as bleeding before you panic you should realize that that ice pole is going to melt and it's going to come out the holes seep out of the holes that you

created so oftentimes if it's sort of a blood tinge fluid that's really just the ice ball melting in the fluid coming out of the the sites that you've punctured

and then one more example just to sort of illustrate the idea of a heat sink or

a cold sink right so this patient has a mass in their left adrenal gland right next to the aorta it's just anterior to the kidneys so the problem here is if you put a microwave ablation probe right next to the aorta you're likely to burn

the aorta and if you want to point the microwave ablation probe directly at the aorta well there isn't really a good window for that right you would have to go through the kidney you'll go through bowel and on route to getting there so

really I elected to do cryoablation right so that's the mass that's the aorta so you're obviously worried about injuring any order you place two probes into the lesion they obviously are streaking us out right now but that's

the aorta right there so we are four millimeters away from the aorta with these two probes you would think you'd be concerned about damaging it but using that cold sink effect you can see how the ice boss actually carves around the

aorta so you can get a really nice ablation on to that structure with that Waring that you're damaging the aorta or any nearby big vascular structure now that doesn't happen with pancreas if you freeze into pancreas you're going to get

a pancreatitis and if you freeze into bowel your bowel is going to have a perforation so that really just is with blood vessels that you can do that

my co-presenter and colleague anne mccaffrey couldn't be here this morning she recently had a baby and was not cleared to fly just yet so I will be presenting by myself wish you were here so where we began we were seeing an average of 20 to 25 outpatient

outpatients a day between multiple services vascular I our neuro interventional neuroradiology our procedures were often delayed due to lack of recovery space to move post procedure patients into several 6-hour

recoveries mostly our angiograms and our kidney biopsies would take about half to two-thirds of the available recovery space for most of the day so as you can see we did not have a lot of space for the amount of procedures that we were

performing room utilization was at a high of a hundred and twelve percent q four that's because we were doing bedside procedures on impatience as well and we were performing procedures in our recovery room too that's what we look

like so our service rapidly expanded over the past five years and created multiple problems long scheduling delays led to a delay in diagnosis and treatment for patients which led to unhappy patients and unhappy refers

located in a major metropolitan area with many major academic medical centers led to a lot of competition and we didn't want our internal referrers to send their patients to other centers prolonged hospital stays for our

inpatients led to delayed discharge until vascular access was obtained or feeding tubes were inserted and then for staffing our staff our staff was unhappy with the frequently man øt and leadership was unhappy with the

increased staffing costs so for our

talk about some more non-invasive ways

to image the lymphatics there's non-contrast at Marlon Payne geography this has been around for a greater than a decade we basically do a tea to fats at sequence and we basically really amplify the signal difference between

fluid and soft tissue and we really want to focus on fluid that's very slow moving so this is very good for people of lymphedema cirrhosis venous malformations etc you're gonna get very nice images it's non-invasive gives you

good spatial resolution but you can't see small structures and you don't have an idea of how things are flowing so just to kind of show you an image from my training and right there where the arrow is showing you the thoracic duct

right next to the aorta obviously fairly distended what I did actually in this patient as we were doing research to generate these images actually giving them didn't mr gave him a milkshake put him back in the mo and you see this

little thing plump up and is actually really cute dynamic a Marlon pan geography is a newer technique that's come along where basically we've combined what we do with nodal and faint geography where we put a needle into the

lymph nodes with what we do with regular mr which is to inject gadolinium we dilute the gadolinium we can inject it right into the lymph nodes and now you can have flow dynamics as well as faster mapping of what's going on with the

lymphatics a very useful technique that I use in complicated leaks in pediatric patients etc

24 year old patient after a car accident has lower abdominal pain and melena so blood coming out of the rectum here's the CT scan anyone want to take a stab but you can just shout it out

so this time we're looking at the liver right so the liver is the big thing on the right side of the screen and what you can see is the dark hematoma posterior to the liver but you should also notice that big white dots sitting

right in the hematoma all right that's important because that's active bleeding that's the report when you guys when you guys get called in for these cases and someone says oh this you know liver trauma with active

bleeding this is the picture that is spurring that announcement okay this is what active bleeding and the liver looks like again there's a bleeding scale there's an injury scale for a liver trauma we don't need to go into that

slides are available if you want them alright here is the angiogram now again my rule works all right if you see vessels get smaller and then big again something's abnormal so in this particular picture I want you to notice

the catheter sitting in the right hepatic artery the blood is going up into the right lobe of the liver and right near the top of the pictures that big circular kind of blobby thing now this is by definition extravasation

sometimes we use the term pseudoaneurysm to describe this I just want you to appreciate what a pseudoaneurysm means it means that there's a hole in the artery that contrasts or blood is leaking out of that hole and the body is

essentially constraining the bleeding it's not going all over the place it's being constrained that's what we call a pseudoaneurysm all right that's just one way to look at it and geographically so this is an injury to the artery blood is

leaking out of the artery but maybe one layer of a three-layered blood vessel or even just the surrounding tissue is constraining that bleeding alright so what do we want to do for this exactly exactly you're getting it all right so

here we can get our microcatheter all the way out there the closer we get to it the better now in end organs like the liver or the kidney we don't actually have to get all the way out there getting close to it's going to be good

enough but the closer we get to it the better for stopping the bleeding and preserving the function of that organ all right so look how close we literally got right into the injury and then we're able to embolize it that's the goal all

right now the liver is a nice place the treat because as you know there's two sets of blood vessels going to the liver there's the portal veins in the apat ik artery so if we just embolize a little a patek artery the

liver is not going to notice that at all because it still has the portal venous flow bringing blood to that liver but our goal is to get in there preserve as much of the liver that we can and address that injury okay here's another

the traditional three pillars are

surgical medical and rad honk which actually was once part of radiology and separated just like interventional radiology has and where is the role for this last column so many patients are not medically operable so if you set the

gold standard you know that the cure for someone has a primary liver mass well about 20 percent of patients who present can undergo resection what you do for the remaining portion so Salvage is what we offer when someone has undergone

standard of care and it didn't work how do we hop back in and try to see how much these folks it's low-risk it's not very expensive at all as compared to things like surgery and the recovery is usually the same date so

this concept here of tests of time is kind of interesting a lot of times when we look at a tumor let's say it's 2 centimeters it's not really the size of the tumor but it's how nasty of a player it is and it's

difficult to find out sometimes so what we do is we'll treat it using an IR technique and watch the patient and if they do well then we can subject them then to the more aggressive therapy and it's more worthwhile because we've found

that that person is going to be someone who's likely going to benefit you can use this in conjunction with other treatments and repeat therapy is well tolerated and finally obviously palliation is very important as we try

to focus on folks quality of life and again this can be done in the outpatient setting so here's a busy slide but if you just look at all the non-surgical options that you have here for liver dominant primary metastatic liver

disease everything that's highlighted in blue is considered an interventional oncology technique this is these the main document that a lot of international centers use to allocate people to treatments when they have

primary liver cancer HCC and if you see if you see at the very bottom corner there in very early-stage HCC actually ablation is a first-line therapy and they made this switch in 2016 but it's the first time that an

intervention illogic therapy was actually recommended in lieu of something like surgery why because it's lesions are very small its tolerated very well and it's the exact same reason why your dermatologists can freeze a

lesion as opposed to having to cut everything off all the time at a certain point certain tumors respond well and it's worth the decrease in morbidity so

you know the most common procedures in China this is kind of interesting I was blown away by this when I did the research on this I knew when I would go

into the hospitals and I was all over for I've been to Beijing shanghai nanjing to even the smallest little place is up in northern china and the one thing that blew me away I'm looking at the board and I'm seeing neuro case

after neuro case after neuro case I'm like it got 10 Narrows and and a pic line I'm like it's an interesting interesting Dysport of cases and the reason being is in China they consider diagnostic neuro

so neuro angio to be the primary evaluating factor for any type of neurological issue so you're not getting a CT if you come in with a headache you think you're gonna go get that cat scan now it's generally what not what they do

so you're talking about a case and I'll give you the case matrix of the break-up it's just proportionately high for a neuro very well trained in neuro and most of the guys that are trying to neuro very similar to what dr. well Saad

said a lot of the guys in Africa are trained in France so other neuro interventions have trained in France or lipstick in China and have received European training on that so you know the level of what they're doing some of

the stroke interventions some of the ways they're going after these complex APM's they'll Rob well anything you'll see here in the US so it is quite interesting to see and the second

largest is taste hepatocellular carcinoma is on the rise it's the highest level in the world is found in China and Korea for that matter and there's many reasons why we can go into it some of it is genetic factors and a

lot of societal factors alcohol is a very liberally lie baited in China and there is problems with you know cirrhotic disease and other things that we know could be particular factors for HCC so always found that very

interesting like I said I would go into a hospital and I'll see a PICC line a hemodialysis catheter and then 20 tase's on the board in one day so it is quite interesting how they do it and then biliary intervention stents tips and

then lung ablation you know the highest rates of HCC biliary cancer and lung cancer found in China and once again when we talk about lung cancer what are those contributing factors you're talking about certainly a genetic

component but mostly it's lifestyle factors smoking is prevalent in the US and in you know in Europe and in some areas in Asia we've seen obviously a big reduction in smoking which is fantastic China not so much you don't see that

it's a societal thing for them and unfortunately that has led to the the largest rates of cancer in the world in lung cancer so lung ablation is a big procedure for them over there as well so procedure breakdown this is kind of some

of that breakdown I was telling you about that cerebral procedure is some of the most commonly performed and you're talking about at very large numbers they're doing neuro intervention because they do it for die

Gnostic purposes and I would that kind of blew me away when I found out they do have cast scanners and certainly for trauma and things like that they'll do it but the majority of the stuff if you come in you have headaches you might end

up in the neuro suite so it's quite interesting how they can do that tumor intervention very high like I said you have the highest rates of HCC in the world you're getting cases they do have y9t available and in fact China just

made their largest acquisition ever with the by what you guys know a company they bought surtex there's a Chinese company now it got bought by China now the interesting is they don't currently have a whole lot of

y9t over there but they just opened up some of their own generators so they can actually start producing the white room 90 and I think you'll see probably a increase in those numbers of y9t cases but to date the number one procedure for

them is taste and they do a lot of them you know like I said on average a community hospital setting you might find 15 or 20 cases a day with three interventionalists so compared to what you guys do there's probably not many

people here unless you're working at a major institution that there's nothing but cancer doing 20 cases a day and I promise you're probably not doing it with only two interventionalists so it's amazing how fast and effective they've

gotten at and below therapy and unfortunately it is necessary because of those elevated HCC levels and like I said when we look at some of these things it's I go over there and I'm looking at the board there are very few

cases for you know PICC lines very few the frosted grams very new bread-and-butter abscess training procedures like we do here in the US they are very it's the prevalence is very simple it's neuro it stays and it's

biopsy and those are some kind of the big three for intervention in China and there it's such a large volume you get to learn a lot when you're over there and CLI PA D even though it's more prevalent in China than it is here

because smoking lifestyle factors certainly westernization of the diet in China which occurred since the 1950s and 60s has led to a lot of McDonald's and and fast food and things that weren't currently available prior to 1950s you

see a lot of PA d but it is very undertreated and certainly talking to some of my colleagues like whom are oh you'll get to see a little bit later on with CLI fighters one of the things that's kind of frustrating for them is

that it is so undertreated it's very common to see amputations in China instead of actually doing pipe in percutaneous intervention they normally like to go too far and you see a lot of amputation certainly above

normal so that's something I think as an interventional initiative when we look at these things coming from a Western perspective it's definitely something we need to pursue a little more aggressively but there it's very little

oh well you're talking about two you know two to three percent you know maybe up to six percent or PID cases very very low levels so equipment in equipment in

who came in with just over she had a four month with delayed heal wound she finally presented at us after the wound

healed because she had rest pain that wasn't recognized they thought the pain was due to the the wound the wound healed and they realized oh she still has pain well that's because she has crippled limb ischemia and so she was

she was brought in for that just you know she has bilateral disease I'm just gonna concentrate on talking about the right leg for for today's discussion but she does have inflow disease in these types of patients I do get

cross-sectional imaging so I can determine just how extensive the iliac diseases or if it involves the aorta to then determine what it what to make sort of jumping into it so the right leg again she has about a 10-7

occlusion of the bright SFA this occlusion here's the femur for reference the knee is actually down way down here so this is actually just above the a doctor again tried to use in this case I did do wire work I got past a good

portion of it here's my wire right here and here's the O pacified lumen so what you can see is the wires actually adjacent to the lumen so at this point I'm re said suspecting that I'm sub intimal I confirm that by removing the

wire do little puff there's blushing that blush is up intimal so I know I'm sub intimal so at this point what were the things you can do obviously the first things you do try to pull that back try to find a different space a

different location to wreak analyze when that's not successful then you start thinking about southern super recanalization multiple devices for that there's the outback device which is a little hook that you can try to spear

yourself into the main lumen and pass a wire there's also device from Medtronic about the anterior device what this is it's a balloon that you inflate to sort of stick yourself into that wall it has two ports that are on the side one

points one direction one points the other direction it allows you to find that open lumen and we use a re-entry angled wire to get back in so in this case just as a cartoon here's the the anterior device place downward this is

would be the balloon inflated you would basically jab into the port into the into the main lumen so that's sort of basically what I did here again here's the agile device each of the ports you can see as a little divot once you put

it sideways you can determine which we are going to stick there's my wire right into the lumen and there it is down further into the rest of the the vessel subsequent to that pre-dive it with a three and then overlapping

since were used finally here is her post i did treat both legs but you can see just the dramatic difference going from the monophasic waveforms to tri-phasic waveforms restoration table api's for her I couldn't help but throw this in

treatment options once you've sort of isolated that there are leaky valves and the patient has typical symptoms that there are some surgical options but really embolization and catheter

directed treatment are really the mainstays of treatment both because it's an outpatient procedure you get to go home the same day and the recoveries fairly easy the factors that we consider when you embolize or block these

varicose veins are listed here you want to you want desired duration you want it to be closed forever you can't replace valves it would be nice to be able to do that but there's not a valve replacement so much like in the leg when you're

treating varicose veins you're either blocking or taking veins out so the surgical options are to take the vein out or to ligate but and the vascular options would be to block it and so I would just thought I would cover just a

little bit of embolization materials I'm sure you're all very familiar with and as I'll mention a little bit later there's there's sort of not necessarily agreement on what type of things people use to embolize gonadal veins or pelvic

varicosities but i'll show you what i do but give you a background of just generalized embolization materials so I'm sure you've all seen gel foam supplied as a sheet you can make a slurry you soak it with contraire

so that you can see it as you're putting it in some people use glue and will glue the entire gonadal vein it solidifies when it's mixed with saline or blood usually mix it with acai it also you can see it as

you're injecting it and then the standard coils which there are multiple sizes shapes detachable non-detachable Amplatz or plugs all the mechanical devices that can be used to block blood vessels and then I put on Souter deck

all because there are some people that will sort of do the sandwich technique you may have heard we'd put a coil peripherally and a coil up by the renal vein and then in between the coils you can film a sclerosant and embolize that

way the other important factor for me is using the suture deck all on the actual varicosities I'm not just necessarily treating or blocking off the the blood supply to them you know and I'll mention that a little bit more during the case

here so go through a case patient with

something some case examples of where I use cryoablation right so this is a

patient who has a nodule in the in the back of their lungs in the right lower lobe and basically I'll place two probes into that notch on either side of Brackett the lesion and then three months later fall up you can see a nice

resolution of that nodule so when it comes to lung a couple things I'll mention is if the nodule is greater than eight millimeters I'll immediately go to two probes I want to make sure that I cover the lesion whereas microwave it's

pretty rare depending on what device you're using for you to put more than one probe in so some people's concern with cryo in the lung is more probes means more risk of pneumothorax but you can also see surrounding and proximal to

where we did the place you can see the hemorrhage that you see so if those of you out there that are doing the lung ablations you probably have physicians that are using something called the triple freeze protocol right so the

double freeze protocol is the idea that you go ten minutes freeze five minutes 30 minutes freeze five minutes thought well what we saw was lung early on in the studies was a very large ablation a freeze to start with caused massive

hemorrhage patients were having very large amounts of hemorrhage so what we do now in lung is something called a triple freeze protocol we'll do a very short freeze about three minutes and that'll cause an ice ball to form and

then we'll thaw that in other three minutes three minutes of thawr and as soon as that starts to thaw we'll freeze it again and we've shown us a substantial decrease in the amount of hemorrhage so if you're doing long and

you and you you're told to do a double freeze protocol perhaps suggest the triple freeze is a better idea so that's three months later so another example

patient who experienced the heart attack who had right little quadrant pain after a cardiac catheterization all you like oh so here's the cat scan and what you should appreciate there is in the front of that first image which is the axial

image all right you can see the hematoma that's brewing kind of in the front you notice how all these pictures kind of look the same that's the good part about giving a lecture on bleeding and trauma because they all kind of look the same

so that's the hematoma on the front part of the pelvis and on the on the right image which is more of a coronal like looking at the patient image you can see it right near the right groin you can see that hematoma all right so our next

step was to do an angiogram and this is what the angiogram looks like who wants to volunteer what do they say all right I saw someone raise his hand over here some walk over here what do you think yeah well yes so it is a retro hematoma

would you say describe the angiogram for everybody right where it's at the external iliac down the common femoral looks like there's contrast going up to the left and down to the right probably close to where they accessed yeah

probably but so yeah probably probably too high but the other thing is that's probably a pseudoaneurysm that probably is the evidence that there was a bleed there we're not seeing Frank extrapolation of contrast in a literally

contrast pouring out but we are seeing the effects of an injury to the artery and the constraining of the the remaining normal tissue to hold on to that bleed so the question is what do we want to do no that was very good because

I fooled you it's not always embolization so sorry I lied so in today's world a lot of times when we see this type of pathology we have again relatively new technology available to us again we

could go into that pseudoaneurysm and embolize it and that would be a legitimate treatment but my friend here is right you know this is a great case for a covered stent so we could go in and put a stent right across that area

of injury and stent it so these days looking at coverage stands as an option for patients with arterial injury is a very legitimate option you just have to be able to deliver it has to be the right artery you have to be able to get

the stent where it needs to go we all work with vascular surgeons who are great and they can put these stents and iliacs and aortas but they can't make those turns into livers and kidneys and spleens it's got to be the right artery

this is this is the right artery okay we saw this patient and we said well we could kind of get a micro catheter into that area of injury and embolize it or we could just put a cover sent across it and all go home to have dinner with our

kids so that was option B is what we chose here so this is a great cover stent case okay here's another patient

patient female patient who has the sudden onset of upper abdominal pain here's the CT we did all these cases in one day it was crazy it was terrible so so here's a big hematoma a big peritoneal hematoma you

can see it anterior to the right kidney you can see the white blob of contrast right in the middle of the hematoma that's a pseudoaneurysm or even active extravagance um less experienced people would probably say it's active

extravagant I think most of us would prefer that it be called kind of a pseudoaneurysm this active extrapolation would be much more cloudy and spread out this is more constrained and you can see on the

coronal image you get a sense that there's that hematoma same type of problem all right is there more imaging that we can do to figure out the next step again I said earlier earlier in this lecture

that sometimes we use CTA now sometimes a CTA is worthwhile I do find that for a lot of these patients I think we're getting smarter and we're doing CTAs right at the beginning of this whole thing you know when a trauma

patient comes in we're getting CTAs so we can max out the amount of information that we get on the initial diagnostic imaging here's what we're seeing on the CTA and in this particular case I think it's pretty clear that you can see the

pseudoaneurysm arising from what looks like a branch of the superior mesenteric artery so this is just an odd visceral and Jake visceral aneurysm which looks like it probably ruptured I don't have an explanation for it led to a big

hematoma here's what that is and now we're gonna do an angiogram the neat thing is it just perfectly correlated with a conventional angiogram so here's our super mesenteric angiogram all right the supreme mesenteric artery

on the first image to the left is that vessel going downward towards the right side of the screen all those vessels coming off are really just collateral vessels going up to the liver through the gastroduodenal artery again that

left one looks pretty good it's not until you see the delayed image on the right that you see that area of contrast all right so that's the finding that correlates with the CT scan all right here we're able to get in there you put

a micro catheter in that vessel alright the key next step for this patient as I mentioned earlier is the whole concept of front door and back door so here we're technically in the front door the next thing that we do is we put the

catheter past the area of injury and now we embolize right across the injury because remember once you embolize one thing flow is gonna change we screw it up body the body wants to preserve its flow if we block flow

somewhere the body's gonna reroute blood to get to where we blocked it so we want to think ahead and we want to say okay we're blocking this vessel how's the body going to react and let's let's get in the way of that happening that's what

we did here so we saw the pathology we went past it we embolized all across the pathology and boom now we don't have anymore bleeding and the likelihood of recurrence is gonna be very low for that patient because we went all the way

across the abnormality and I think from

no thanks to the avir we really wouldn't be able to do anything that we can without y'all so I take great great pride in sharing things from our perspective said you folks can start contributing your own thoughts your own opinions and your own vision during

these cases I think it's certainly something that I've appreciated since the first day of doing invention where do you all do so having said that we're just a smidge in the behind side so we'll try to focus today is mainly a

survey to stimulate everyone in terms of what's actually happening on the other end of the catheter with respect to the patient why are we doing these things where's our role and I think that's gonna add hopefully some value the next

time you folks step in on one of these cases alright so as you know dr. daughter first was able to visualize the inside of a blood vessel and find a stenosis and a lady who had limb ischemia and then was able to use a

dilator to fix that so obviously that gave birth to interventional radiology so we started taking pictures of tumors just to diagnose tumors back in the day before we had actual imaging and what we found

was well if tumors have a high demand for blood just like anything else what happens if we take away that blood and this is a 1975 image of renal cell carcinoma is to call them hyper and if Roma's back then but basically the

concept of interventional ecology was born the moment you could do something to make the environment for the tumor less hospitable and to try to palliate patients if they weren't subject to the the gold treatment standards like

resection in this case so fast forward to 2016 there was a huge study was International where they looked at over 3 000 patients who have primary liver cancer or her pata cellular carcinoma and what they found was that regardless

of where but if you sum all the treatment decisions that are related to those patients about 70% will see treatment by an interventional radiologist as you know that was a astounding amount

so si are listened to a lot of these types of messages even outside of obviously oncology basically we realize that there's a tremendous responsibility and the best thing to do is to dedicate ourselves fully to that and that's why I

think with IR now is a separate medical specialty we're going to start seeing more of the clinical involvement of this and certainly think the caseloads going to go up so why interventional oncology

good morning thank you all for braving 8:00 a.m. and I'm sure you were in bed last night early about 8:30 and really enjoyed getting up for this lecture but here it is so this seems to be one of the you know there's a couple of buzzes around the meeting this year pardon my

voice I wish I was up to like what I wasn't and one of the buzzes percutaneous fistulas and then there's this extreme IR then there's this 3d virtual reality stuff is going around so in Orangeburg ER we're fortunate enough

to be very much involved with both of the newly approved fda devices what she also didn't mention was I was a technologist for eight years before I went to medical school so I kind of know where you're coming from that's why I

really enjoy not speaking to you if it's not for you guys and what you make us look good and I believe me so here's my disclosures someone said you should do well on these I said one I'm looking for more if anyone else is out there knows

any studies or anything they want me to do I'm happy to do them so I'm always looking for more disclosures after they office Access Institute in Orangeburg a little sleepy town about three-quarters of the way up from

Charleston towards Columbia John Ross built this amazing facility we are separate from the hospital you can see the hospital a little bit in the back a little bit in the back there but we're totally separate unit if you're

not familiar with us you've got six operating rooms totally dedicated to dialysis access know nothing else goes on there pardon me there's the clinical area waiting the preoperative and

post-operative a holding area there in the room for about 20 patients we do anywhere from 20 20 to 40 45 patients a day all things peritoneal hemodialysis access creation d clots angioplasty and percutaneous I think that was off the

first case for hemodialysis porcinis access and you see Jeff hole there the one of the developers of the ellipsis device I'm sort of just under the light and the caption is usually how many physicians does it take to put in a

percutaneous access a lot of them on the right this is a totally ultrasound mediated placement and then you can see that's what you get when you connect the artery in the vein you get that very beautiful color flow Doppler of a

perforating thing into a radial artery we'll talk about that now being down south I have had to get I've learned to get used to a chicken and biscuits for breakfast which I've never had to deal with before but it's all been quite

nicely folks been very nice to us so a little trip down memory lane and if you recognize this this is one of the first external officials for hemodialysis you know shrimper shunt and that was followed by of course many fistula sites

there you can see on the Left fistula sites up the radial radial ulnar element and radial cephalic rather of course called the breccia semitic fistula and should go up higher I want you to call your attention to right by the elbow

that area is where the site of percutaneous fistulas today are mostly created and these are deep fish to this and we'll get into what that means in just a moment and of course grafts there on the right

but it's a little bit out of the topic

my talk is titled extremely obvious IR and I think as we move through these slides you guys are going to be able to pick up really quickly on why I elected for that title so this is a patient this is a 67 year old male he had an Evo repair in 2014 in 2015 he

underwent two repairs for persistent type 2 endo leak and this was done via transsexual approach in 2018 we got a CTA that demonstrated an enlarging aneurysm sac so here's just some key critical images from the CT I had the CT

and its entirety today but I had to like panic dump a lot of slides off of my powerpoint I'm always the girl at the airport that you see transferring things from one suitcase to the other like right when it's about to get onto the

airplane so what do we notice about where we see the contrast in these in these images so is it anterior is it posterior anyone its anterior so what if I told you that we see contrast in the anterior sac but this patient has an

included ima where is it coming from so we get the CTA we see any large aneurysm sac we see it an endo leak we bring them into clinic we go through the routine things the patient denies abdominal pain they deny back pain and so we go ahead

and all of our infinite wisdom and we schedule them for a trans cable approach to repair what we call a type 2 and delete now one of the most the most important key sentences from the workup is we say this is likely a type 2 in the

leak but a feeding vessel is not identified okay so our usual algorithm at UVA if we get a patient we do a CTA we bring we see any sort of endo leak if we cannot identify a feeding vessel usually what we do and you can let me

know if this is the same at your practice or if it's different we'll bring them in and we'll do some dynamic imaging from an arterial approach and we'll try to see you know is it really type 2 can we identify a feeding vessel

and oftentimes what happens in those situations is you you identify oh it is a type 2 we just see where it was from and we're gonna have to bring them back and we're gonna have to put them prone and we're gonna

have to stick the stack directly so we thought we were gonna outsmart it this time like we we were gonna just identify that it was typed to you right from the get-go do I have the play button or do you have the play button awesome all

right so this is our trans cable access so what we're doing these days to do our trans cable access and our fenestrations is we're actually using a t lab kit so we're using the transjugular liver biopsy sheath and we're putting our

65-centimetre cheap a needle through that so everything's going great so far we see our sheath in access goes smoothly I might have gone for two slides can you hit the I'm not sure yeah go ahead and hit that nope go ahead and

go one for slide and then just play that video for me yes please awesome so this happens pretty quickly can you play that video again and just keep playing it through on a loop and so we do an injection from our microcatheter from

our trans cable approach and what do you guys noticing where are you noticing the contrast tracking yeah in the red circle [Music] it is now right so everybody at UVA is is a proficient Monday Morning

Quarterback let me tell you so we see the contrast tracking down outside of the iliac limb so now we're all going okay can you go ahead all right go ahead and play this video all right so we get access into the femoral artery

just to make sure because at this point we're hoping against hope we haven't put this on the patient we haven't put this patient on the table MANET made a trans cable puncture only to identify that this patient does in fact have a type 1

B in delete but our arterial access proved that is exactly what we did the junction of the yes we did we did a trans cable puncture to identify that it was a junction leak so that's a problem right because we have

this action going on right so we have a trans cable puncture as dr. Haskell just adapt ly summarized we have a trans cable puncture we've done nothing so far but identify that this patient has the type 2 in a week so it is a micro

catheter right it's just it's just a party foul and then it was the fellow's dream because you pull out and there's nothing to hold pressure on there's nobody's dream at that point so I want to stop here and I want to just take a

moment you guys can live my psych at night so do you ever your so my normal algorithm for my patient since I come in in the morning I look at the patient's chart I review their prior imaging and I try to

do all of these things before looking at my attendings plan because one of the things that I realized is that challenges me to try to figure out what's my plan for the patient what do I think the most appropriate inventory

would be and every once in a while you see something in the plan that doesn't quite jive and you're like there's this is likely a type 2 in the league although a feeding vessel is not identified so I have two options at this

point I either walk down to the reading room and I say hey someone tell me what's going on we don't identify that type - is it worth doing a diagnostic imaging or anyway I just roll with it and this

was a day where I elected to roll with it and so I just want to take a moment and reiterate it's always important for all of us to you know you have a voice and use it and you want to bring up these

things that's sometimes we all start going through the motions where you work with someone that you trust a lot it's really easy to say like Oh someone's smarter than me caught that right so going back it's like it's like that

terrible joke what is the radiologists favorite plant the hedge mmm that's what that is it's like well it could be but it might be and ray'll right you go ahead and play this so this is just our walk of shame as

we're casually embolizing our track out of our trans cable approach and here we are back in clinic so again this is a 67 year old manual with recent angiogram that demonstrates significant type 1b endo leak and we plan for an extension

of the left aortic lab so we bring the patient back we do a standard comment from our artery approach we get into the internal iliac we identify the iliolumbar all kit all standard things we drop an amp at Sur plug to prevent

any sort of further type to end a leak into the limb that we go ahead and extend we put in the iliac limb we balloon it open we'll go ahead and play this video and our follow-up angiogram reveals a resolved type to end a week so

ultimately we did it so what are

so what what venous insufficiency is is really leaky valves so if you want to hit the play on that so that's all venous insufficiency that's what we

talked about it's it's leaky valves and so you can see this the valve leaflets there which are paper-thin is allowing blood to go the wrong way if you want to hit play on that one when we looked for valve

insufficiency for sure in the legs we use ultrasound and there's a bunch of different things that we look at an ultrasound you first look if you can augment blood flow so that was that first part we see if it's compressible

to make sure there's not a clot in it that's this part you can see the vein winking at you and then finally we look at valsalva or some type of way to determine if the valves are competent or incompetent and what this figure is

showing is that when a patient valsalva Zoar tenses up their abdominal muscles you see the gray line for the ultrasound crossing the access and going the opposite way all that means is it's got opposite directional flow which you

should not be able to do if your valves work so if your valves work you would not see that ultrasound picture crossing the line here it would just continue right there or would just stop and then flow would start again once you stop fel

salving so that's how we check in a leg but for pelvic venous insufficiency that's kind of hard to ultrasound the deep pelvic veins I could certainly look for varicosities with a an ultrasound of the pelvis but you can't really find the

source of an usually the source veins are the internal iliac veins or the gun at Elaine's and those are tough to ultrasound so secondary evidence of incompetence or leaky valves in those systems is varicosities

and so in the case of pelvic venous insufficiency those varicosities are in the pelvis and you see on the slide here you got varicose veins deep in the pelvis here and here and see some larger ones in that same

area on that CT scan so that'll tell us varicose veins that doesn't necessarily tell you whether the issue is with a gonadal vein or an internal iliac vein it just tells you that there are sequelae of varicosities much like in

the leg you might have varicose veins in the ankle but the problem is really higher up in the leg at this afterno femoral Junction so that gives us secondary evidence but it hasn't really told us the cause of the varicose veins

this is just a CT image that it also may show a large gonadal vein right here so you normally should not see it that big it's right there also secondary evidence that the valve is incompetent but it doesn't really test the valve itself

it's it just gives you the idea that veins enlarge and the valves gonna be leaky this is a cartoon schematic of the

lymphatics you know I have this nice lymph angiogram image on the right side

of the screen here you see a plethora of lymph nodes you see a lot of fine detail not an easy image necessarily to get historically and that's for a few reasons one lymphatic fluid unlike your blood is clear right we can all look at

somebody's hand and you can look at the veins and you can see the hand an IV can go right in you can't see what the lymphatics aren't and beyond that beyond it just having clear fluid it's also has relative to blood not that many cells

which makes it hard to see and the vessels are pretty small so I've magged up on just one lymph node there and you see that one little lymph node has about 28 faire and efferent vessels going to it

so each the size of each one of those vessels is less than a millimeter in size so you can imagine if they just do a surgical biopsy and excise one of these lymph nodes in one patient they've damaged at least 20 different vessels

and if they take out multiple lymph nodes you can imagine the damage to the circulation to that particular extremity and that's why the patients end up having some of these complications the lymphatics are driven by valves

predominantly you see all these little sac you lations inside and that's where the valves are but we don't really have a good grasp for how many valves is normal with the distribution of valves and patients etc there's no central pump

so unlike the circulatory system which is dependent on the heart the lymphatics are dependent on skeletal and smooth muscle to help move things along the first method to image lymphatics historic who's actually limb for

scintigraphy and the first the first actually marker that was used was a gold base did a scintillation camera and they had some images you know it's not something we do commonly now for the purposes of detection we actually use it

as a functional scan to help guide some degree of therapy the spatial resolution is fairly poor particularly compared to fluoroscopic images but the current uses are still there particularly for sentinel lymph node

mapping breast cancer melanoma patients and/or lymphedema this is an example of a patient who had a melanoma on their back or this could easily just as well be a breast cancer patient you do an injection around the tumor and you see

what lymph node the the tracer drains to so this is a functional imaging test which can be very useful in guiding therapy when you compare that to a peripheral lymphedema you see what it looks like in this case you see one

patient in five and sixty minutes and within 60 minutes the tracer has gone from the feet where you inject all the way up to the neck that's actually a normal lymph flow centigram and that patient you look at their extremities

they're fairly symmetric you look at the second patient and you see that one leg the left leg is asymmetrically swollen compared to the right you see that the injection at five hours on that swollen extremity has not gone up above the knee

and you see it really going to the skin surface so that's a typical appearance for somebody who has lymphedema okay so it exaggerated but a fairly typical appearance you see that once the contralateral extremity is actually

traversed and gone all the way up to the thoracic duct up into the neck so we certainly see the that lymphedema is useful but the detail really isn't there

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