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Transcript

So a brief clinical history. We have a 32 year old female who initially presented as a

transfer patient from an outside institution with hematemesis. She stated that after a dinner, she had a couple episodes of bloody vomiting, hematemesis which prompted an ED visit. She was initially started on Nexium and octreotide drip. And she underwent upper endoscopy at the outside institution,

which confirmed gastric variceal bleeding. However, they were not able to perform any kind of endoscopic intervention at that time. She was therefore transferred to our institution for a higher level of care. Briefly, there's her past medical history.

Wanna point out that she has a history of hypertriglyceridemia which led to necrotizing pancreatitis, which eventually led to a splenic vein thrombosis and formation of her isolated gastric varices. This diagnosis was initially made about three months prior to her presentation to our hospital. So here's kind of a summary. She had hypertriglyceridemia which led to necrotizing pancreatitis, which formed a pancreatic pseudocyst, which led to splenic vein thrombosis,

which led to isolated gastric varices, which then bled. So here's a couple of pictures of her EGD from the outside institution. Just wanna point out the highlighted texts there, this is directly from their report. Gastric varices were noted in the proximal stomach and fundus. There was new blood in the fundus. The exact point

of bleeding was unable to be localized. They sighted heavy clot burden. The likely source was the gastric varices, which is kinda obvious but they were not able to perform banding at that time. So upon arrival to our institution she was admitted to the medical ICU.

Her vital signs were initially stable. Hemoglobin and hematocrit on the day of her admission were 9.2 and 29.7. After 24 hours they trended down slightly to 7.5 and 24.2. However, her blood pressure did remain stable. She was placed on a transfusion protocol which she responded well

to, and her H&H did stabilize at about 8.0 and 25.0 over the next couple of days. On the second hospital day an abdominal CT scan was obtained and was compared to the scan from approximately three months ago. Again, the highlight of the findings were that the pancreatic tail pseudocysts, the splenic vein thrombosis and isolated gastric varices

were all stable. And importantly there was no portal vein- >> [COUGH] >> Or superior mesenteric vein thrombosis. So here's a couple of pictures of that CT scan. I just wanna point out here, if I can get the mouse over.

Here's the isolated gastric varices. Adjacent to the fundus of the stomach you can see the pancreatic tail pseudocyst here, which are budded and lied adjacent to the splenic hilum. And then you can actually see the distal head of the chronic splenic vein thrombosis.

And this thrombosis, like I said earlier, is at least three months old. [BLANK_AUDIO] Lost the ability to go to the next slide here. [BLANK_AUDIO] There we go. So general surgery was consulted to evaluate for possible splenectomy. They initially deferred any operative treatment.

They cited high operative morbidity and the adjacent pancreatic pseudocyst would be extremely difficult to navigate operatively. And so surgery made plans to follow-up in surgery clinic after discharge in about three months. Okay, there we go. So on hospital day three,

things changed for the worst, she became unstable. Her blood pressure dropped precipitously to 78/36. Heart rate rose to 140. Hemoglobin and hematocrit had trended down significantly to 6.4 and 20.2. A gastric lavage was performed bedside which revealed acute blood.

And so then therefore she was emergently intubated and sedated. They repeated the EGD, this time at our institution they saw a bleeding gastric varix. They were able to localize it and they were able to sclerose that with Sotradecol solution and that initially stabilized the patient.

Per the GI service definitive treatment for these bleeding gastric varices was strongly recommended due to the high likelihood of re-bleeding, and she actually re-bled while in the hospital. So surgery was called back in, and despite the high operative morbidity they decided to plan a splenoctomy the following day. I'll just kinda skip over these for the sake of time.

We were then brought in the next day on hospital day four, and we were initially brought in for splenic artery embolization prior to surgery to control intraoperative bleeding. Upon our initial evaluation she was still intubated and sedated in the medical ICU. Her blood pressure had stabilized to 103/61. Heart rate had dropped to 76.

She had no active signs of upper GI bleeding at that time, and her H&H had stabilized somewhat to 7.6 and 23.4. So after our initial evaluation we reviewed all the prior imaging and we recommended a splenic vein recanalization with angioplasty and stenting of the splenic vein, followed by balloon-occluded trans-catheter obliteration of the isolated gastric varices.

And if this procedure was unsuccessful, we would then just embolize the splenic artery in preparation for surgery. So, I took the patient to the Angiography Suite. These are the list of our procedures here. Just skip over that cause we'll get to the good stuff.

We initially accessed a portal vein branch via the right hepatic lobe under direct sonographic guidance. We used a 21 gauge GrebSet introducer system. We swapped that out for a 6 French 45 cm Ansel sheath and through that sheath we advanced a Pigtail flush catheter into the portal venous system and then performed venography.

So here's a couple of pictures of our initial pictures. There's our Pigtail flush catheter there showing patency of the portal vein and superior mesenteric vein. We were able to get a 5 French Kumpe/g catheter into the distal aspect

of the splenic vein and did a contrast run which obviously confirmed the absence of the splenic vein due to chronic thrombosis. We probed and probed and probed here in the splenic vein for a very long time, and we used a 5 French guiding catheter, actually a Kumpe/g catheter, and a 0.035 hydrophilic guidewire. And we were able to reach the proximal aspect of the splenic vein

here. And we were actually doing pretty well to this point but then we encountered a very significant roadblock here, which was kinda disappointing because it was so far proximal. So we utilized multiple different techniques but none of them were successful. [BLANK_AUDIO]

[INAUDIBLE] So we decided to change our game plan a little bit. We wanted to map out the splenic venous drainage pathway in a physiologic fashion, so we actually we had the foresight to do this beginning with the case, we had the groin already prepped.

We accessed the common femoral artery, ultimately we accessed the ciliac atery with a 6 French C2 catheter. And we then performed celiac trunk angiography and we carried that up to the venous phase, primarily to highlight the venous drainage pathway of the splenic parenchyma. I have a movie in the next slide but just real quickly, just wanna point out that here's our splenic hilar veins which are very close to the tip of our hydrophilic guidewire here, so we weren't too far away.

We were pretty close and it made us happy. [BLANK_AUDIO] Still having trouble. Okay so here's the angiographic run. The injection is from the C2 catheter here at the celiac trunk. And again, just to highlight the fact that all the splenic venous

drainage is 100% via these isolated gastric varices up here near the fundus of the stomach. And we were able to see the veins of the splenic hilum here very close to our catheter tip. So, at this point we obtained trans-splenic venous access,

under ultrasound guidance. We used the same GrebSet micro-introducer system. Through the sheath we performed splenic venography and placed a 6 French pinnacle sheath. We advanced a Fogarty balloon catheter and we inflated it just proximal

to the gastric varices. And then we performed balloon-occluded venography of the spleen through the pinnacle sheath with the balloon inflated. So here's our run. This is our run through the GrebSet introducer sheath. This is our first

real good look of the nature of the isolated gastric varices, they're very large, very voluminous. And, clearly, no drainage via the splenic vein. Here's our run with the Fogarty inflated. This run is through the sheath, this is our trans-splenic sheath

right here. Again it highlights the veins of the splenic hilum which again are very close to the tip of our wire. And again all drainage is kind of backflowed through these gastric varices here. No drainage to the splenic vein. Here's some still pictures for

you in case you missed any of the highlights there. Again the isolated gastric varices and the veins in the splenic hilum which are nice and mapped up for us very nicely there. So at this point we employed the gun-sight technique and we had used this technique before with a lot of success. Usually in the setting of a TIPS procedure,

never in this setting but we knew it worked. It was originally described by Dr Richter and Dr Haskal in the 90s, again in the TIPS literature. I do have an animation slide after these couple of slides, so just kinda bear with me here for a second.

We deployed 2 0.035 Amplatz Gooseneck snares, one on either side. One in the proximal splenic vein via the trans-hepatic access and the other in the splenic vein hilum via the trans-splenic access. We then took a 21 gauge needle,

again our GrebSet needle. We advanced that percutaneously through each snare loop via an anterior abdominal approach, and we had to align each snare loop to where they were overlapping. And so it took a little while to get the detector just right. But once we got that it was fairly easy to advance that needle through

those two snare loops. And then once we confirmed in orthogonal views that we had that needle through each snare loop, we advanced the microwire through the needle and then removed the needle. So then we cinched down each snare loop to capture the microwire. And then the snare that was originating from the trans-hepatic access

was retracted, which then retracted the snare from the trans-splenic access across the occluded segment of the splenic vein. And then the snare catheter was then advanced over this narrow wire across the splenic vein. And we were able to actually advance that through the trans-hepatic sheath to externally. And then it was easy just to exchange that snare wire for an 0.035

stiff guidewire. We used an 0.035 Rosen wire in this case. And then once that was achieved we had resulted in successful through-and-through access across the occluded splenic vein segment. So here's a couple of pictures of this. Unfortunately this part of the procedure we had a high level of focus and we didn't save any angiographic or fluoroscopic images, so

I had to kind of draw it out here but bear with me. There's our occlusion and it kind of blowed up there for you a little bit. There's our 2 0.035 implants Gooseneck snares with our GrebSet needle through it. Again with a detector those snare loops were actually overlapping to RI/g so we were able to see exactly down the barrel or the gun-sight technique.

And here is a little animation. So we deploy our Gooseneck snares on either side of the occlusion. There goes our 21 gauge needle right through each snare loop, and then once we confirm access we send the microwire down and remove the needle. And then as the needle is removed we cinch down on either side of that wire with our snare

loops, and then we pull from the trans-hepatic side through. And that's how we achieved the through-and-through access. So once we had access we felt like we had accomplished something significant there. We then performed balloon angioplasty of the splenic vein. Initially we pre-dilated with a 6mm Mustang

balloon, and then we deployed a 9mm self-expanding bare-metal stent across this lesion. And we-post dilated that utilizing an 8mm balloon. So the diameter of the stent now is eight millimeters. We then repeated the venography through the trans-splenic sheath which demonstrated successful recanalization and importantly brisk outflow through the portal vein.

Here's a couple of pictures of this showing the balloon up. That's a six by ten, followed by the deployment of the stent there post-dilated to eight. And here's our run which shows patency of that stent with a patent outflow. And here's a movie showing that.

So at this point, this is a critical point in our procedure. We're happy with ourselves that we were able to recanalize the splenic vein nicely. However, we were disappointed that we did see a lot of outflow via the isolated gastric varices, and we were concerned with two things at this point.

We obviously didn't want her to re-bleed, and we're also concerned with the patency of maintaining a good flow through that stent to maintain patency of that stent. So we elected to proceed. We then repeated the run from the celiac artery through the C2 catheter.

Again, we noted that the gastric varices were found to supply significant outflow from the splenic parenchyma, despite recanalization of the splenic vein. And so at that point we elected to go ahead and proceed with balloon-occluded trans-catheter obliteration of the gastric varices. And here's a good picture showing that most of that outflow will

still be at the gastric varices even though we have some outflow via the stent right here. So we re-advanced our Fogarty into the splenic vein outflow tract and inflated it and performed venography through the Fogarty. And we were paying close attention here to the volume of contrast that we injected so that we would have an idea of how much sclerosant we

needed to use. Here's a still image of this which shows that these isolated gastric varices just like before are very large and very difficult to deal with. So we utilized Sotradecol solution with lipiodol foam. At our at our institution, Scott and White,

we do a 3:2:1 ratio. Being, three parts air, two parts Sotradecol and one part lipiodol. We then followed this up with placing a total of 4 6mm Nester coils right there in the outflow tract.

And then performed venography after all that, which did demonstrate successful exclusion of the gastric varices, with dominant outflow now via the splenic vein stent. However, this injection here was via the trans-splenic sheath, so it's not exactly physiologic.

And this just kind of shows what we saw. Nice widely patent stent, good outflow and exclusion of the gastric varices there with our coil pack right here in the trunk. We then had the problem of closing our access in the spleen. We did that with Gelfoam.

So we injected Gelfoam on our way out and that closed nicely. And then we performed a celiac run mainly to take a look at the physiologic drainage of the spleen from an arterial run, but also to make sure that we didn't have any extravasation in the

splenic parenchyma from where our sheath was. And we noted that the splenic vein was nice and widely patent after a parenchymal drainage. There was some flow through the varices, but really only the top, maybe 10, 15% of the spleen was draining through the varices. We considered that a success. And here is our run,

which shows good flow through the splenic vein there through the stent. A little bit of flow through the gastric varices, but very minimal compared to our first runs at the beginning of the case. Again I'll kinda skip these. So briefly, clinically she did very well.

We did place her on a Heparin drip for three days and prescribed Plavix 75 mg a day for a total two months. We felt safe in doing this. She did not have any chronic liver disease, she was not

a TIPS patients so placing her on antiplatelet therapy was we felt okay. We were mainly concerned with the patency of that stent. So we went in and did that, she required no further blood cell transfusions. Her H&H stabilized and rose to 8.1 and 24.2 on the second day after intervention. She was actually extubated the next day, which was great. She had no further episodes of GI bleeding. And importantly

general surgery cancelled their planned splenectomy, so we were able to save her from a potentially very morbid operation there. And she was discharged four days later following the intervention. So our follow-up was to obtain CAT scans at one and six months, and evaluate those scans for patency of the stent. And on both scans the stent remained widely patent, and most importantly there have

been no recurrent GI bleeds since we've done this. And the GI followed up with her in clinic and actually repeated an upper endoscopy, and there are no, according to their note, they noted that the gastric varices were quote unquote barely perceptible. So they had decompressed significantly following intervention.

Here's a picture from her CT scan at six months following the intervention. It's a portal venous contrast phase imaging which shows that, I don't have a movie of this, but it does show that the stent, there is a patency of that stent up to six months.

And so for the interest of time, I've got about 30 seconds but I'll just kind of fly through this. Basically what the main teaching points are is that we did have a interdisciplinary approach. We had four different services involved in this patient's care. And we were able to definitely treat the isolated gastric varices in order to prevent life threatening

bleeding, and simultaneously save this patient, this young patient, 32 year old patient from a potentially morbid splenectomy. The gun-sight technique is a technique that we don't use too often, but we

do employ it from time to time. We were very happy with Dr Richter and Dr Haskal who first talked about this in the 90s and gotten us out of a lot of jams since then. And kind of just words there, here's my references. And then obviously coming from Texas we love the gun-sight technique so

[LAUGH] we try to employ it whenever possible. And thank you very much. >> [APPLAUSE] >>

craft is basically the only FDA approved stain crafts and I'll show you a

different way of doing it as well besides the Viator especially in countries where the Viator does not does not exist okay the Viator stand sits in the liver just like just like in my hand here the bare

portion is on the portal venous circulation the covered portion is basically on the hepatic vein part of the circulation okay the bare portion is chain-linked and is very flexible that's why kind of cut can crimp like that okay

they're both self expanding the bare portion is self expanding held by the sheath only the covered portion is held by a court okay so they're both self expanding but they're constraints by two different two different two different

methods one's a sheath constraint and one is a is a cord constraint okay these are the measurements the bare portion theoretically allows portal flow to pass if you're in a branch so it doesn't cost from boses of the portal vein branch in

the covered portion is important to cover the parental tract the youth that you've created in the past you had a lot of billary leaks into the tips if it's a bear stance bile is from by genic so it causes thromboses bile also instigates a

lot of reactionary tissue such as pseudo intimal hyperplasia that actually causes the narrowings of the of these tips if you causing bear stance the coverage stance prevents the bile leaks from actually leaking into into the shunt

itself okay and that's why it has a higher patency rate okay ideally this is how it's it's a portal vein and hepatic vein you'll hear people say proximal and distal you'll he'll hear radiologists especially diagnostic

radiologist referring to proximal and distal proximal and distal some people refer to the portal venous and is proximal some people refer to the paddock venous and is proximal and vice versa okay and it

gets confusing nobody knows well what's proximal okay the people that say portal venous and is proximal there they're talking about its proximal to flow so it's basically the first thing that flow hits people that

call the paddock venous and proximal they're talking relatives of the body more central is proximal more peripheral is distal okay so they're using these the same terminology is very confusing so the best thing to use and I we tell

that to radiologists who tell that to IRS is to talk a portal venous and hepatic venous end you don't talk proximal distal everybody knows where the portal venous end is and where everybody knows where the peregrinus end

is and there's no confusion strictly speaking which is the correct one which is proximal for us as IRS tax nurses proximal is always to flow proximal is always anticipate to flow so the correct thing is actually proximal

is the portal venous ends remember P proximal P portal okay proximal is where the expected flow is coming in that's actually the correct one but just to leave e8 the confusion portal venous and hepatic venous end okay there's a new

stents which is the controlled expansion stents it's in my opinion it feels exactly like the old stance the only difference between it is that it's constrained still has the same twenty to twenty millimeter or two centimeter bare

portion chain-linked it still has that four to eight centimeter covered portion but it's constrained in the middle okay and has the same gold ring to actually market the to the to a bare portion and the cover portion self expanding portion

and is constrained down to eight millimeters you can dilate it to eight and nine and ten initially there was a constant there was a misconception that it was like a string like a purse string that you break and jumps from eight

and no this is actually truly a controlled where if you put a nine-millimeter balloon it will dilate to nine only eight balloon little dialect to eight only the only the only key thing is that the atmospheres has to

be ten millimeters at least okay so it has to be a high pressure balloon has to be at least 10 min 10 10 atmospheres okay so when you're passing that that balloon over make sure that it's that that it that at least it's burst is 10

millimeters or or EXA or more on a 10 mil on on 10 atmospheres okay next thing is when you're making a needle pass you got your target now with a co2 you got the portal vein you've got your stank craft and you know how it works okay how

do you make your needle pass okay and how do you know if your needle has hit the portal vein or not there are two schools to do this okay one school is to make a needle pass and aspirate as you pull back and when you get blood back

you basically inject contrast okay before you do all that when you make your needle pass you push saline and especially if you do if you're using a large system so there are several kits out there there is the cook kits that's

a color pinto needle that's a large gauge 14 gauge needle there is the new gore kits which is also 14 gauge needle it's a big system these large systems you need to push out that poor plug that's kind of like a biopsy you have to

push it out with saline first and then as you pull back aspirate okay the other system is a ratio cheetah or a Rocha cheetah it's actually pronounced rasa schita and that's a very small system that there won't be a core that you have

to push out okay so anyway if you're using a large system like a coop into a needle which is the cook system or the gore system you push that plug out and then there are two schools school two aspirates you get blood back you inject

contrast if you're in the hepatic in in the portal vein you basically access it with a wire the other school is to do a ptc style you actually puff contrasts as you pull back you do not ask for H saline you actually puff

contrasts as you pull back okay the latter puffing contrasts as you pull back is the minority I would say less than two percent of operators are gonna puff okay ninety-eight percent of operators at

least are gonna actually aspirate and not puff okay I'm actually in the minority I'm in the 2% and there are advantages and disadvantages like I promised you two different ways and advantages and disadvantage to each to

each one the advantages of puffing contrasts even if you missed the portal vein after a while you actually get contrast around the portal vein and you actually have a visual of the portal vein that's the advantage so when you're

actually injecting contrast and you're missing it you get contrast around the portal vein it actually goes around the portal and you actually see the portal vein and it takes training sometimes this one's easy

okay I'll show you some more difficult ones but this is a beautiful pussy typical portal vein okay in addition to that oh go back in do you see that you see that hole in the middle there see that signal signal you watch that

because you're gonna see it again and again that's usually a posterior portal vein posterior right portal vein heading heading away from you okay that's usually a good target and I'll show you that again here's a little

little bit less obvious to the untrained eye but this is actually where the portal vein sits right there okay so sometimes it needs training right just actually see where the portal vein is and once you've stained the portal vein

then you have a real-time image of where the portal vein is you can actually go go after it and it reduces your needle passes disadvantages of using contrast and puffing away is that it creates a mess okay if you make multiple passes

you and you miss on the multiple passes then you start creating a mess and even with your DSA you can't even see the portal you can't see the portal vein because you've got this great mess another disadvantage of using contrast

is that you have to stomach what you're gonna see okay you make a needle pass and you don't inject contrast you have no proof of where you've been but if you're making a needle pass and you're

injecting contrast you and everybody else is gonna see where you've been that's usually not a good thing sometimes you will see bowel you see gold bladder you'll see arteries you'll see veins you'll see all sorts of stuff

that nobody wants to see and you don't want to document okay so that's another disadvantage so I recommend especially young physicians especially young physicians in places that are not used to this especially young physicians that

are new to hospitals and they're gonna they're gonna make multiple passes not to do this was they're gonna be very they'll be criticized a lot by their texts and by the institution by their colleagues as to what have you done you

know big mass artery you've hit artery but the guys and gals that are just aspirating and not injecting they're actually not documenting what they're going through but they're going through the same stuff okay

okay next up this I think this video yep

quick I did want to mention t-carr briefly and try to get you guys closer to back on time this is a hybrid procedure this is combining the surgical procedure we talked about first and carotid stenting it takes combined

carotid exposure at the base of the clavicle or just above the clavicle and reverses blood flow just like we talked about but tastes slightly different technique or approach to doing this and then you put the stent in from a drug

carotid access here's the components of the device right up by the neck there is where the incision is made just above the clavicle and you have this sheet that's about eight French in size that only goes in about us to 2 cm or 1 and a

half cm overall into the vessel and then that sheath is sutured to the the chest wall and then it's got a side arm that goes what's labeled number six here is this flow reversal urn enroute neuroprotection kit it reverses the

blood flow and then you get a femoral sheath in the vein right in the common femoral vein and you reverse the blood flow so this is a case a picture from our institution up on the right is the patient's neck and that's the carotid

exposure and the initial sheath is in place so the sidearm of that sheath is the enroute protection system which is going up up at the top of the image there we're gonna back bleed that let that sidearm of that sheath continue to

bleed up to the very top and then connect that to the common femoral venous sheet that we have in place there's a stepwise of that and then ultimately what we see at the end of the procedure is that filter inside that

little canister can be interrogated after and you can see the debris this is in the box D here on the bottom left the debris that we captured during the flow reversal and this is a what we call a passive and then active flow reversal

system so once the system is in place the direct exposure carotid sheath in place the flow controller and AV shunt in place you see the direction of blood flow so now all that blood flow in that common carotid artery is going reverse

direction and so when you place a sheath or wire and and ultimately through that sheath up by the carotid artery there's no risk for distal embolization because everything is flowing in Reverse here's a couple

case examples ferns from our institution this is a patient who had a symptomatic critical greater than 90% stenosis has tandems to nose he's so one proximal at the origin and one a little bit more distal we you can see the little

retractors down at the base of the image there in the sheath that's essentially the extent of the sheath from the bottom of that image into the vessel only about a cm or two post angioplasty instant patient tolerated that quite well here's

another 71 year-old asymptomatic patient greater than 90% stenosis pretty calcified lesion a little more extensive than maybe with the CT shows there's the angiography and then ultimately a post stent placement using the embolic

protection device and overall the trials have shown good good safety met profile overall compared to carotid surgery so it's a minimum minimal exposure not nearly as large the risk of stroke is less because you're not mucking around

up there you're using the best of a low profile system with flow reversal albeit with a mini surgical exposure overall we've actually have an abstract or post trip this year's meeting this is just a snapshot of that you can check it out

this is our one year experience we've had comparable low complication rates overall in our experience so in summary

my talk is titled extremely obvious IR and I think as we move through these slides you guys are going to be able to pick up really quickly on why I elected for that title so this is a patient this is a 67 year old male he had an Evo repair in 2014 in 2015 he

underwent two repairs for persistent type 2 endo leak and this was done via transsexual approach in 2018 we got a CTA that demonstrated an enlarging aneurysm sac so here's just some key critical images from the CT I had the CT

and its entirety today but I had to like panic dump a lot of slides off of my powerpoint I'm always the girl at the airport that you see transferring things from one suitcase to the other like right when it's about to get onto the

airplane so what do we notice about where we see the contrast in these in these images so is it anterior is it posterior anyone its anterior so what if I told you that we see contrast in the anterior sac but this patient has an

included ima where is it coming from so we get the CTA we see any large aneurysm sac we see it an endo leak we bring them into clinic we go through the routine things the patient denies abdominal pain they deny back pain and so we go ahead

and all of our infinite wisdom and we schedule them for a trans cable approach to repair what we call a type 2 and delete now one of the most the most important key sentences from the workup is we say this is likely a type 2 in the

leak but a feeding vessel is not identified okay so our usual algorithm at UVA if we get a patient we do a CTA we bring we see any sort of endo leak if we cannot identify a feeding vessel usually what we do and you can let me

know if this is the same at your practice or if it's different we'll bring them in and we'll do some dynamic imaging from an arterial approach and we'll try to see you know is it really type 2 can we identify a feeding vessel

and oftentimes what happens in those situations is you you identify oh it is a type 2 we just see where it was from and we're gonna have to bring them back and we're gonna have to put them prone and we're gonna

have to stick the stack directly so we thought we were gonna outsmart it this time like we we were gonna just identify that it was typed to you right from the get-go do I have the play button or do you have the play button awesome all

right so this is our trans cable access so what we're doing these days to do our trans cable access and our fenestrations is we're actually using a t lab kit so we're using the transjugular liver biopsy sheath and we're putting our

65-centimetre cheap a needle through that so everything's going great so far we see our sheath in access goes smoothly I might have gone for two slides can you hit the I'm not sure yeah go ahead and hit that nope go ahead and

go one for slide and then just play that video for me yes please awesome so this happens pretty quickly can you play that video again and just keep playing it through on a loop and so we do an injection from our microcatheter from

our trans cable approach and what do you guys noticing where are you noticing the contrast tracking yeah in the red circle [Music] it is now right so everybody at UVA is is a proficient Monday Morning

Quarterback let me tell you so we see the contrast tracking down outside of the iliac limb so now we're all going okay can you go ahead all right go ahead and play this video all right so we get access into the femoral artery

just to make sure because at this point we're hoping against hope we haven't put this on the patient we haven't put this patient on the table MANET made a trans cable puncture only to identify that this patient does in fact have a type 1

B in delete but our arterial access proved that is exactly what we did the junction of the yes we did we did a trans cable puncture to identify that it was a junction leak so that's a problem right because we have

this action going on right so we have a trans cable puncture as dr. Haskell just adapt ly summarized we have a trans cable puncture we've done nothing so far but identify that this patient has the type 2 in a week so it is a micro

catheter right it's just it's just a party foul and then it was the fellow's dream because you pull out and there's nothing to hold pressure on there's nobody's dream at that point so I want to stop here and I want to just take a

moment you guys can live my psych at night so do you ever your so my normal algorithm for my patient since I come in in the morning I look at the patient's chart I review their prior imaging and I try to

do all of these things before looking at my attendings plan because one of the things that I realized is that challenges me to try to figure out what's my plan for the patient what do I think the most appropriate inventory

would be and every once in a while you see something in the plan that doesn't quite jive and you're like there's this is likely a type 2 in the league although a feeding vessel is not identified so I have two options at this

point I either walk down to the reading room and I say hey someone tell me what's going on we don't identify that type - is it worth doing a diagnostic imaging or anyway I just roll with it and this

was a day where I elected to roll with it and so I just want to take a moment and reiterate it's always important for all of us to you know you have a voice and use it and you want to bring up these

things that's sometimes we all start going through the motions where you work with someone that you trust a lot it's really easy to say like Oh someone's smarter than me caught that right so going back it's like it's like that

terrible joke what is the radiologists favorite plant the hedge mmm that's what that is it's like well it could be but it might be and ray'll right you go ahead and play this so this is just our walk of shame as

we're casually embolizing our track out of our trans cable approach and here we are back in clinic so again this is a 67 year old manual with recent angiogram that demonstrates significant type 1b endo leak and we plan for an extension

of the left aortic lab so we bring the patient back we do a standard comment from our artery approach we get into the internal iliac we identify the iliolumbar all kit all standard things we drop an amp at Sur plug to prevent

any sort of further type to end a leak into the limb that we go ahead and extend we put in the iliac limb we balloon it open we'll go ahead and play this video and our follow-up angiogram reveals a resolved type to end a week so

ultimately we did it so what are

okay stent graft deployments once you've ballooned you basically pass the sheath over the balloon all the way down to the portal circulation the reason for that

is the Viator stance has a bare portion that's captured by the sheath so your sheath has to be deep into the portal circulation so when you unsheath it it opens up and then you pull back so it snags on your portal venous entry so

it's a feel thing and a visual at the same time for the operator okay so your sheath has to be deep in the portal circulation so that dilates put your sheath all the way down this is a run just to make it look pretty for you guys

and then you basically deploy the Viator stent via tourists and like I said has a bear portion that's captured by the plastic here and that plastic sheath basically transfers the capture of the bare

portion from plastic to your entry or access sheath okay as a ring to it and put it in has a feel to it that ring has to be right there it's very common for people starting off to deploy it inside the sheath up so it's a kind of a feel

thing to actually make sure that it's actually in there snug with it with the sheath okay then you push the stents all the way into the sheath now the bare portion is captured by the sheath you remove the plastic it's over over and

done with and then you pass pass your your stent all the way down to the portal vein and then unsheath it like a wall stents let it open pull everything back till it snags on the portal venous entry sites and then unsheathed the rest

of it which is the covered portion and that stays constrained by the cord and then you pull then you pull the cord keep key portion here is this is the ideal tips and ideal ace tips is a tips from the portal vein bifurcation to the

a patek vein IVC junction okay that's an ace tips it's usually a straight tips it's the straightest tips you'll see it runs parallel to the caiva okay rookies will be doing tips down out in the

periphery and Deliver okay they'll be fishing for small portal veins out of his small hepatic veins and at the end their tips is gonna be like a big seat like a big C loop okay it'll be a longer tips with more stance and it won't be an

aggressive decompressive tips okay but an ace tips is a more aggressive central tips straights it comes from the portal vein bifurcation to the paddock vein IVC Junction that's kind of like an ace tips

okay unsheath it and then and you and then you pull the cord to basically deploy it and this is kind of a reenactments the Styrofoam cup is the portal vein the sheath is in there now over the wire there's no wire in the in

the reenactments and then you unsheath the bear portion so it opens up okay and then you pull everything back till it catches on the portal vein okay you move the sheath all the way back and

then you pull the cord you see the cord right there you pull the cord and it basically opens up the covered portion okay and it opens up from the portal venous end so it actually capped catches it right away catches that portal venous

entry sites there's no slippage and so basically rips open tip to hub okay and that's kind of your final product and then you go in and and then you go in and balloon okay so here it is ballooning put the sheath

over the balloon sheath is deep into the portal circulation you put the tips in your unsheath to cut the the the bare portion let it flower open you pull everything back to like snags you unsheath the rest of the stunt and then

you pull the cord okay and then you dilate with 8 or 10 or whatever so this is visit with the debilitation and that's kind of your final product ideal

this is just happens to be a biliary

other classification system with bismuth how where the injury occurs and this is really germane after surgery so you'll see most of these actually after misadventure with bluish surgery and and like I said the most common ones

actually after laparoscopic surgery but we have barrier so we have oncological have two extremely complex three sections of the liver now and and we the advent and certainly rise are more balloon complications this is an example

of what we might do in the complex setting this patient had explorers in cholangitis primary cylinder current charges received a transplant and the transplant liver had a recurrence and with recurrent explorers and cholangitis

there was just no way we could cross it but even with a long-standing billy we drain frequently if you drain most obstructed systems a day or two passage across an inflamed structure it makes it much more easy and you will see their

people get brought back for their secondary tube with laryngitis sometimes this is not possible so we actually have made attempts to cross this there's no other way so we happen to use a sharp organization so we happen to use a

transept own needle and use a sharp needle go breakthrough sometimes analysis of the CT scan is a very important you really want to know what's between your one side and what's on the other side and the more even more fun

thing to do now is using our rfy off-label and we'll burn our way through and create the track that actually has a much better patency rates and even sharp organization your allow essentially coring of sort of in chronically

inflamed fibrotic tissue and allows you a chance of keeping this open it's just example of how you benchley burrow through with a shop another case with a sharp needle creating a track really that's not

natural because this is obviously a transplant patient and it's the only way through even done what we've done is stick the intestine first and then put us in a punch our way through polio stay out and

then thereby restoring the the track and they are sort of you have to be just really created with biliary disease when it comes to chronic obstructions or high-grade obstructions so like I said with benign the disease frequently it's

post-operative and so they will present in multiple different ways and most of the times they're just leaking in the intraperitoneal ich you you're you essentially peritoneal cavity will reabsorb it so patients get jaundice is

essentially it hi arrays but Rubens and you'd really can diagnose in many ways and really just dealing with this can be problematic and then so we've been dealing with bluish structures and and oh sorry benign Ballou strictures

post-operative benign Ballou strictures in a more labor-intensive way we actually leave tubes in for six months which is probably a little more than most people must be not a benign the Lewis structures are managed with three

months of stinting with a minimum of twelve French tube so that's a reason why some of these patients will get kalanchoe pasties multiple bluie a drained Rhys tenting it and tube exchanges and changed up this way and

then this is just happens to be the British is worth a typical we will get access cross the stricture kalanchoe plastic stretch out this benign structure and then place a tube in for as long as you can to keep it open and

fro asses of between three and six months there's a classic example someone who obstructed that they said this looks very smooth it doesn't look ugly and looks okay doesn't look like a cancer we sometimes what I so biopsy if it has any

suspicious appearance and then get across you can see even with a balloon how tight the structure can be with a high pressure balloon and there after placing achievement for again three to six months we actually err on the side

of caution almost our patients have six months of intubation which is quite long difficult and this is our experience what we do then is when do you remove it to actually have a sort of a step-by-step process we have a it's not

really medical clinical trials actually just if a flow clinical trial what we'll do is get the tubing bring a patient back and we actually cut the tube so there's only the access through the parenchyma of the liver is preserved but

nothing through the structure we will cap the tube is since you can maintaining access and see if the patient doesn't make sure that doesn't get fever the stricture is maintained and then we'll bring the patient back

after a week to do a balloon whiticus test that's really just a modification of a urinary radhika test we're going to take pressure measurements after slow contrast injections to make sure it remains the

patency and for us the data suggests we can essentially and predict over 90% who will be staying free if they pass the Whittaker test in keeping the monetary reading less than 20 centimeters of

water and really it allows us to manage these because of how many patients have what procedures at our institution we have a large volume of patients that we actually follow and it's a you know our fellows think it's the most common

procedure Billu intervention had this is actually not that coming everywhere else and this is what I believe tests we have a pro forma that we fill in and the contrast has been ejected in

certain rates per minute and so this test takes about 30 minutes we make sure that there's the predictive value of in less than less pressure building up over higher high contrast injection rates will give us a great prediction of no

longer needing the tube and then stone

technically step by step of how tips are done okay and and the ideal tips with

every step of this procedure I'm gonna show you two ways of doing it okay and the advantages and disadvantages of the two ways in every step okay so first of all the primary thing is to get into the portal vein and how do you visualize the

portal vein okay so one way is to do co2 Vinogradova nog Rafi to hit the portal vein me with experience no I don't need co2 venography to hit the portal vein but I still do it in an in a teaching institution because I have texture that

are learning nurses they're learning and physicians are learning so I actually do the imaging for them so they actually can get the general idea of what we're doing this is our target this is where we're coming off and that's it but in an

experience hands is it necessary absolutely not okay so co2 photography very helpful for in teaching and teaching institutions so everybody and the whole team can actually know exactly what our target is so not essential like

like we discuss and there are two methods of doing this and in a funny way I'm gonna show you that's actually the same method but one is a micro of the other one okay so two ways one way is then wedge a catheter that's the old way

kind of more traditional way than let's not call it always more traditional way of doing a co2 port and the other one is using a balloon of balloon occlusion castra and this is wedging it with a four French five French catheter you

take it all the way to where the catheter is larger than the hepatic vein and now you've wedged it okay and this is kind of a mag up you see that that's a little that's a little wedge okay you wedge you inject contrast the contrast

just sits there it's wedged it's trapped okay and then this is with a balloon to your left is a balloon full of air to the right full of contrast and you basically trapped it again you fill contrast and consciousness it's there

what's the difference between this image and this image no difference the only difference is size that's all it's the same idea you're just trapping a segment of the liver the difference is this is a very

small segment and this is a larger segment okay so essentially it's actually the same technique one is just well technically when it comes to your side all one needs a four or five French calf the other one needs a balloon

occlusion caster okay same image so then you inject co2 the key thing here if you're the type of physician where you put contrasts you have a balloon sitting or a wedge and you have to count contrast there okay

rookie mistake is that they leave the contrast and then they hit the co2 okay what is that you've lost the advantage of the co2 in the beginning of your bolus is actually contrast okay so you need to bleed out the contrast and

replace it completely co2 so your entire bolus okay is co2 and not and not and not the and not the contrast okay that defeats the purpose why is co2 advantageous over contrast contrast is a thick fluid co2 is gas is viscous it's

volatile it actually can squeeze through tight spaces as it's a gas and that's what we want we want to squeeze that co2 which is a contrast through the sinusoids reflux it back into the portal circulation so we're trapping it and

we're trying to push co2 squeezing it through the sinusoids refluxing it back into the portal circulation so you can actually visualize the portal circulation okay and all and the disadvantage of a wedge is what you see

here if you're a wedge and you're immediately sub capsular and you slam you slam that co2 aggressively what you will get is an explosion you get a rip of those of the hepatic capsule scroll the glisten capsule and then you've got

a leak and if the patient is quite low is a quite low path they can actually die from this believe it or not they will die from this and not die from the needle passes okay so that's kind of co2 and that's kind of

a little a little passive air into the perineum nice imaging not a good outcome so one way to avoid this is to still wedge but wedge away from the hepatic capsule so you're out in the periphery in the paddock veins but you're deep

inside the liver you're not you're not right underneath the capsule so that's one way of doing it the other another way is to actually use a balloon okay so this is this is just another wedge here okay and you actually use a balloon I'm

just showing you a correlation with a balloon it's a little safer because you're a little distance away from from the hepatic capsule I'm just showing you a more and more image of the same thing co2 with correlation after you access

since it's a beautiful correlation with with the portal vein venogram okay there are problems with wedges and with balloons is that sometimes you get a gas you know a co2 leak you're wedged but there's hepatic veins at vadik vein

connections and all you see is a fatty veins you can't force reflux the co2 into the portal circulation so that's one problem okay so what do you do with that you change the sights just change a different different branch okay try to

avoid that connection between the badeck veins and it back veins go somewhere else where there is no connection where you can actually make a true hip wedge and force that co2 into the portal circulation okay another way this is

just a draw a drawing out whether it alone or a catheter you get that you get the escape from the Patek vein to fatty vein is to go distal go beyond that connection so if you can go distal go distal if you can't go distal then

change your branch try to find a place where there is no hepatic vein tip a degree engine attraction preferably but not necessarily not the same branches connected to because that usually goes both ways but not always sometimes

you're lucky and if that connection is kind of like a one-way valve one way street and it's not a two-way street but that's just sheer luck okay this is an example hepatic vein to about a vein connection and what we did was basically

switch to another place another vein and we actually get the portal venogram here okay next up sting crafts Viator's thank

so these are a lot of slides most limited you know I'm talking I'm talking to you guys I'm talking showing you a lot of technical stuff you know and a lot of slides and I'm gonna talk mostly technical of you know how tips and dips are done kind of a step by step so even

the title it's kind of a workshop step by step of how basically you do you do tips and dips and what and and what are they so in general when you have when you have this is basically kind of out flow spleen spleen dumps blood into the

portal vein the mesentery dumps blood into the portal vein portal vein goes into liver liver does its thing and then dumps the blood into the eppadi veins to the right atrium okay for that because the liver is connected with the spleen

and the guts in series unlike any other organ basically the liver has to be a low-resistance organ because the portal circulation is low-pressure look the liver has to be a low-resistance organ with liver disease especially liver

cirrhosis you actually get increased resistance and in the liver with that disease and you get basically a backup of the blood flow in the portal circulation and increases the pressure in the portal circulation that's kind of

the genesis of or the pathogenesis of portal hypertension backing up circulation the spleen and in the guts then you get ascites and hydra thorax that's kind of think of it as weeping of fluid into the pleural space and into

the and into the perineum part of it is oncotic part of is osmotic basically think of it nutritional and pressure driven causes at the same time we all have potential portosystemic connections in other words they're there but they're

not connected or they're not opened up in plumbing they hold them bleed valves or pressure valves when the pressure is high and you know they start weeping or leaking you know in your in your basements we have the same thing

we have so many portosystemic connections there are about 55 named ones there are innumerable ones that are actually that are actually not named the common ones that we know are because of because of bleeding is esophageal

varices that's the connection usually between the left gastric vein and the azekah can be hazardous system you can also get gastric varices and that's usually connecting between a spleen and the left renal vein through a gas renal

shunts you can get also all sorts of connections even down in the internal hemorrhoids we get actually portal hypertension hemorrhoids and bleeding and so many numerous other shunts that we just don't have time to cut to cover

it to cover all these so the general to the general thought of treating all these complications of portal hypertension is to decompress the system to reduce the pressure and that's along the lines of years and decades of

surgery shunts that were placed and now tips ism largely replaced all these surgical shunts with the exception of Vancouver and Tampa okay that they still do some surgical actually a lot of surgical shunts most most other places

in North America converge to a tip to a tip shunt the the advantage of the tips of over surgical shunts is the usual what we hear is minimally invasive it you know it's a quick recovery less morbidity and mortality areason for

white tips has beaten the surgical shunts is the transplant era all these surgical shunts are actually extrahepatic so when you go for a transplants and liver hits the buckets they actually have to go and shut down

these shunts wherever they created them steena renal portal cable in the tips it goes out with a liver in the bucket so there's no complication of transplantation that's the real advantage of tips over surgical shunts

and that's why it's become very very prevalent in in in North America with a transplant error when approaching gastric varices just briefly another way is a BRT Oh which is to go basically into the left renal vein go up the shunt

and specifically screw rows the stomach and that's not the that's not this kind of subject of our of our discussion here I'm gonna talk to you

and what makes things complex is when the Louie system is inhospitable to the easy procedures when the ducts are dilated I think most operators find this

really relatively easy to get a tube in but once it's under lay that it really makes it tricky you either have a disease of the Blooey systems such as sclerosing cholangitis in flammond ich ins of the power duct architecture and

the wall itself all surgeons have gone in in misadventure transected cut the wrong duct and so cholecystectomy is are frequently the most common ones we misidentified and right posterior duct inserting below

and they cut that or even cancers is there not sometimes Calandra carcinomas such as cat skins - matrix of the ones right at the middle of the tree those ones make it challenging to sometimes get through sometimes they're so severe

in the severity of a structuring that it's it's very difficult to get through and sometimes we have to use sharp organizations and then like I said post surgery and with the advent of your gastric sleeves and gastric bypass

surgery this has become a much more common place and so frequently I think bluie interventions are on the rise again whereas I think they went out of favor for a few years in the 2000 mainly the GI became so aggressive with a

slanting Denova stenting and middle stenting then and bluie disease came down somewhat in high AR but this is all on the upswing again now with much more patients with with a bariatric surgery so in terms of intervention and your

your procedures in the room for difficult access and again a unviolated Ballou systems is actually not that insignificant even very experienced operators is going to be the most challenging procedure of the day and

it's vital to actually know your options and for we will actually a pacify the blue system with anything that has yellow stuff so frequently surgical drains that are adjacent to the leaking site sometimes we will check them and

sometimes you just got to be careful not inject too much sometimes their pacifiers and obliterates a field so much so you can't see anything your procedures pretty much done I also use known in distance gee I frequently would

be the first group to go in and try address below a leaking and they'll plate in the stands even though it doesn't cross the leaking site or it's inadequate for a decompression so we frequently would just stick the

indistinct directly and start our procedure that way so we know we're going through deliver through some bad structures but you we use a very very small caliber needle and stick the in distinctly and then once we use that

sometimes we'll place a wire knowing the fact that this is not our final track to a destination we'll put a wire in and then put that into any peripheral duct and then stick our skinny wire and so that's another way another way is

actually once you original PTC's been obtained with its optimal not will use mix lidocaine jelly with contrast media and mix it and make it a real thick slurry and that sometimes is a really good way to keep

the contrast from making out really really quickly he sounds quite logical but it's actually a very cute trick so that's another thing to consider every now and then you can actually use gas because it doesn't dissipate so if you

take co2 and there's at large dilated ducts you can actually put co2 and visualize that very nicely particularly specifically in the left lobe of the liver tends to dive into Phi the ventral left duct very nicely with gas but

sometimes it's not always easy if it is gas filled intestinal tract and then use control actress and I'll show you what that looks like on a picture and then high-grade lesions every now and then we have to use sharp aura colonization and

really the packing of the wire and your who should be your Russia sheet a needle from a tip set every now and then we will use a cardiology transept or needle the skinny a needle and really that sometimes with a high-grade multi

sclerosing agent of sclerosing cholangitis sometimes that is the only way through and sometimes we will use even rfy and drove our way through with high-power so this is a little bit what what it would look like if you had a

lack called a transaction we couldn't specify the billary system from about 30 passes of a routine and ptc axis that we should be stuck a central duct we pointed the wrong way contrast we float much faster than we could to get a

second axis so we just put a wire and it immediately then we actually stuck our wire and used our wire to get down and this is a cute way of getting using just a structural element even though you don't actually managed to keep contrast

in there to allow you to identify here's an example of a patient who had a Whipple procedure and a surgical master moses leak and it was under laid it difficult to pacify patient also has rapid respiration so some of these

patients are from the ICU they breathe very very high frequency and it's actually very difficult unless you get general anesthesia sometimes the risk outweighs the benefits of putting people under

for some of these that we will just as soon as if get pacified the blue system put a wire and again another example where we stuck a wire then we actually use that to gain a second axis and pacify the other system left atrophy

this is a patient with a very very small left lobe and we use the right axis it's a very acute angle from the left hand side we actually spin just stuck put in a snare and we stuck a snare we pull the wire out from the left through the white

and out the skin and then pushed it down using a stuff and that's why I'm taking your snare from Lord lift out the let right and then put in from the right hand side up the skin then you push that all the way through into the right hand

side and how you have power lateral axis so just there are some cute tricks that you can do to and make your procedures more successful and this is the other way you may do it sometimes you can only get to the lift system from the right

the hilar cholangiocarcinoma here high central high low lesion we could get our CAFTA from the right to the left that there's no way we could get from left to right so all we did was stay our Y from right to left and it comes out the skin

and then using a peel away she you put the wire down from the right hand side then you said she go from left access all the way up the skin on the right you exchange being glide wire put it in the pillow sheath and the right stolle

feeder that aren't all the way and you pull your pillow as sheath and now you have left access and right axis and sometimes it's the only way to get our lateral axis this is commonly found when surgeons require bilateral tube for a

cholangiocarcinoma classic in Palmyra section where they use the Blooey tube to feel their way up and look at the end of the tumor and so sometimes we do

thank you so much for inviting me and to speak at this session so I'm gonna share with you a save a disaster and a save hopefully my disclosures which aren't related so this is a 59 year old female she's lovely with a history of locally advanced pancreatic cancer back in 2016

and and she presented with biliary and gastric outlet obstructions so she underwent scenting so there was a free communication of the biliary system with the GI system she underwent chemo and radiation and actually did really well

and she presents to her local doctor in 2018 with ascites they tap the ascites that's benign and they'll do a workup and she just also happens to have n stage liver disease and cirrhosis due to alcohol abuse in her life so just very

unlucky very unfortunate and the request comes and it's for a paracentesis which you know pretty you know standard she has refractory ascites and because she has refractory ascites tips and this is a problem because the pointer doesn't

work because a her biliary system is in communication with the GI system right so there's lots of bugs sitting in the bile ducts because of all these stents that have opened up the bile duct to list to the duodenum and so you know

like any good individual I usually ask my colleagues you know there's way more smart people in the world than me and and and so I say well what should I do and and you know there was a very loud voice that said do not do a tips you

know there there's no way you should do a tips in this person maybe just put in a tunnel at drainage catheter and then there was well maybe you should do a tips but if you do a tips don't use a Viator don't use a covered stand use a

wall stunt a non-covered stunt because you could have the bacteria that live in the GI tract get on the the PTFE and and you get tip situs which is a disaster and then there was someone who said well you should do a bowel prep you

like make her life miserable and you know give her lots of antibiotics and then you should do a tips and then it's like well what kind of tips and they're like I don't know maybe you should do a covered said no not a covered tonight

and then they're you know and then there was there was a other voice that said just do a tips you know just do the damn tips and go for it so I did it would you know very nice anatomy tips was placed she did well

the next day she has fevers and and her blood cultures come back positive right and you can see in the circle that there's a little bit of low density around the tips in the liver and so they put her on IV antibiotics and then they

got an ultrasound a week later and the tips that occluded and then they got a CT just to prove that the ultrasound actually worked so this really hurt my gosh to rub it in just to rub it in just just to confirm that your tips occlude

it and so you know I feel not so great about myself and particularly because I work in an institution that defined tip seclusion was one of the first people so gene Laberge is one of my colleagues back in the day demonstrated Y tips

occludes and one of the reasons is because it's in communication with the biliary system so bile is very toxic actually and when it gets into the the lining of the tips it causes a thrombosis and when they would go and

open these up they would see green mile or biome components in the in the thrombus so I felt particularly bad and so and then I went back and I looked and I was like you know what the tips is short but it's not short in the way that

it usually is usually it's short at the top and they people don't extend it to the to the outflow of the hepatic vein here I hadn't extended it fully in and it was probably in communication with a bile duct which was also you know living

with lots of bacteria which is why she got you know bacteremia so just because we want to do more imaging cuz you know god forbid you know you got the ultrasound of her they because she was back to remake and

you know that and potentially subject they got an echo just to make sure that she doesn't have endocarditis and they find out that she has a small p fo so what happens when you have a thrombosed tips you go back in there and you do a

tips or vision you line it with a beautiful new stent that you put in appropriately but would you do that when the patient has a shunt going from one side of the heart to the other so going from the right to the left so sort of

similar to that case right and so what do we do so I you know certainly not the smartest person in the room we've demonstrated that so I go and I asked my colleagues and so the loud voice of saying you know I told you this is why

we don't practice this kind of medicine and then there was someone who said why don't we anticoagulate her and I was like are you kidding me like you know do you think a little lovenox is gonna cure this and then the same person who said

we should do a tunnel dialysis tile the tunnel drainage catheter or like a polar X was like how about a poor X in here like thanks man we're kind of late for that what about thrombolysis and then you

know the most important WWJ be deed you guys are you familiar with that no what would Jim Benenati do that's that's that's the most important thing right so so of course you know I called Miami he's you know in a but in a big case you

know comes and helps me out and and I'm like what do I do and you know he's like just just go for it you know I mean there are thirty percent of the people that we see in the world have a efo it's very small and it probably doesn't do

anything but you know I got to tell you I was really nervous I went and I talked to miner our colleagues I made sure that the best guy who was you know available for stroke would be around in case I were to shower emboli I don't even know

what he would do I mean maybe take her and you know thrombolysis you know her like MCA or something I don't know I just wanted him to be around it just made me feel good and then I talked to another one of my favorite advisors

buland Arslan who who also was at UVA and he said why don't you instead of just going in there and mucking around with this clot especially because you have this shunt why don't you just thrown belay sit and then you

know and then see what happens and so here I brought her down EKOS catheter and I dripped a TPA for 24 hours and you know I made her do this with local I didn't give her any sedation because I wanted and it's not so painful and I

just wanted her to be awake so I could make sure that she isn't you took an intervention location you turned it into internal medicine I I did work you know that's that's you know I care right you know we're clinicians and so she was

fine she was very appreciative I had a penumbra the the the Indigo system around the next day in case I needed to go and do some aspiration thrombectomy and what do you know you know the next day it all opened up and you can still

see that the tips is short the uncovered portion which is which is you know past the ring I'm sorry that which is below the ring into the portal vein is not seated well so that was my error and and there was a little bit of clot there so

what I ended up doing is I ended up balloon dilating it placing another Viator and extending it into the portal vein so it's covered so she did very

kind of the embolic protection because I think with carotid artery stenting the stents there's a lot of different types they're all self expanding for the most

part and there's not a lot to talk about there but there is with regards to embolic protection and there so there's distal and violent protection where you have this where that blue little sheath in the common carotid artery you got a

wire through the ica stenosis and a little basket or filter distally before you put the stent in early on they used to think oh maybe we'll do distal balloon occlusion put a balloon up distally do your intervention aspirate

whatever collects behind the balloon and then take the balloon down not so ideal because you never really asked for it a hundred percent of the debris and then whatever whenever you deflate the balloon it goes back it goes up to the

brain you still have some embolic phenomenon in the cerebral vascular churn and then there's this newer concept of proximal protection where you use either flow reversal reverse the blood flow in the cerebral circulation

or you actually cause a stagnant column of blood in the ica so you can't get you don't get anything that embolize is up distally but you have this stagnant column the debris collects there you aspirate that actively before you take

down the balloons that are in position in the X carotids and common carotid artery and then you take everything out so let's walk through each of these if you really wanted to pick out the perfect embolic

protection device it's got to be relatively easy to use it's got to be stable in position so it's not moving up and down and causing injury to the vessel but even while it's in place cerebral perfusion is maintained so that

balloon the distal balloon not a great idea because you're cutting off all the blood flow to the brain you might stop something from embolizing up distally but in the process of doing that you may patient may not tolerate that you want

complete protection during all aspects of the procedure so when we place a filter as you'll see just crossing the lesion with the initial filter can cause a distal embolus so that's a problem you want to be able to use your guide wire

choice as many of you know when we go through peripheral vasculature there's your go-to wires but it doesn't always work every time with that one go-to wire so you want to be able to pick the wire that you want to use or

change it up if needed for different lesions so if you get to use your wire of choice then then that's gonna be a better system than something that's man deter and then if you have a hard time using that wire to get across the lesion

you have a problem overall and then ultimately where do you land that protection device and a few diagrams here to help illustrate this generally speaking these distal embolic protection these filters that go beyond

the lesion have been used for quite a while and are relatively safe you can see them pretty easily and geographically they have little markers on them that signify if they're open or closed and we look for that overall and

blood flows through them it's just a little sieve a little basket that collects really tiny particles micrometers in size but allows blood flow to pass through it so you're not actually causing any cessation of blood

flow to the brain but you are protecting yourself from that embolic debris and it's generally well tolerated overall we had really good results in fact when not using this device there's a lot of strokes that were occurring in use of

this device dramatic reduction so a significant improvement in this procedural area by utilization of embolic protection however distal embolic protection or filter devices are not a perfect APD as you as you may know

those of you have been involved in carotid stenting there is no cerebral protection when you cross the lesion if you have a curlicue internal carotid artery this filter doesn't sit right and and ultimately may not cause

good protection or actually capture everything that breaks off the plaque and it can be difficult to deliver in those really tortuous internal carotid arteries so ultimately you can cross the lesion but you may not get this filter

up if you don't get the filter up you can't put the stent then ultimately you're out of luck so you gotta have a different option filters may not provide complete cerebral protection if they're not fully opposed and again it does

allow passage of really tiny particles right so your blood cells have to be able to pass but even though it's less than about a hundred microns may be significant enough to cause a significant stroke if it goes to the

right basket of territory so it's not perfect protection and then if you have so much debris you can actually overload the filter fill it up in tile and entirely and then you have a point where when you capture the filter there's some

residual debris that's never fully captured either so these are concerns and then ultimately with that filter in place you can cause a vessel dissection when you try to remove it or if it's bouncing up and down without good

stability you can cause spasm to the vessel as well and so these are the things that we look for frequently because we want to make sure that ultimately if we just sent the lesion but we don't believe the vessel distal

to it intact and we're going to have a problem so here's some kind of illustrated diagrams for this here's a sheath in the common carotid artery you see your plaque lesion in the internal carotid artery and you're trying to

cross this with that filter device that's what's the picture on the right but as you're crossing that lesion you're you're liberating a little plaque or debris which you see here and during that period of time until the filters in

place you're not protected so all that debris is going up to the brain so there's that first part of the procedure where you're not protected that's one of the pitfalls or concerns particularly with very stenotic lesions or friable

lesions like this where you're not protected until that filters in place that first step you never are protected in placement of a filter here's an example where you have a torturous internal carotid artery so you see this

real kink these are kinds of carotid internal carotid arteries that we can see and if you place that filter in that bend that you can see right at the bend there the bottom part the undersurface of the carotid doesn't have good wall

my position of the filter so debris can can slip past the filter on the under under surface of this which is a real phenomenon and you can see that you can say well what if we oversize the filter if you oversize the filter then it then

it just oval eyes Azure or it crimps and in folds on itself so you really have to size this to the specific vessel that you plan to target it in but just the the physics of this it's it's a tube think about a balloon a balloon doesn't

conform to this it tries to straighten everything out this isn't going to straighten the vessel out so it doesn't fully conform on the full end of the filter and you have incomplete a position and therefore

incomplete filtration so this is another failure mode I mentioned before what if it gets overloaded so here's a diagram where you have all this debris coming up it's filling up the really tiny tiny particles go past it because this little

micro sieve allows really small particles to go distal but approximately it's overloaded so now you get all this debris in there you place your stent you take your retrieval filter or catheter to take this filter out and all that

stuff that's sitting between the overloaded filter and your stent then gets liberated and goes up to the brain so you got to worry about that as well I mentioned this scenario that it builds up so much so that you can't get all the

debris out and ultimately you lose some and then when the filter is full and debris particles that are suspended near the stent or if you put that filter too close to the edge of the stent you run into problems where it may catch the

stent overall and you have all of this debris and it looks small and you don't really see it and geographically obviously but ultimately is when you do a stroke assessment and it's not always devastating strokes but mild symptoms

where he had a stroke neurologist and the crest trial or most of the more recent clinical trials we actually evaluate a patient and notice that they had small maybe sub sub clinical or mild strokes that were noted they weren't

perhaps devastating strokes but they had things that caused some degree of disability so not insignificant here's a case example of a carotid stent that was done this is a case out of Arizona proximal carotid

stenosis stent placed but then distal thrombus that developed in this case and had post rhombus removal after the epd was removed so there's thrombus overloaded the the filter you can see the filter at the very top of the center

image you can see the sort of the shadow of the embolic protection device there distally aspirated that took the filter out and then ultimately removed but you can imagine that amount of thrombus up in the brain would have been a

devastating stroke and this is what the filter looks like in real life so this is what the debris may look like so it's not this is not overloaded but that's significant debris and you can see the little film or sieve that's on the

distal part of this basket and that's what captures the debris any of that in the brain is gonna leave this patient with a residual stroke despite a successful stenting procedure so this is what we're trying to avoid so in spite

talk here with something that's new on the horizon believe it or not it was actually on the horizon 20 years ago and then it went away because there were a lot of patients that were treated with a

lot of complications and it's making a resurgence and this is balloon pulmonary angioplasty or BPA for short so this is an intervention which may be feasible in non-operative candidates so I mentioned to the Jamison classification earlier

type 1 and type 2 disease should be treated with surgery again it should be treated is curative but patients with type 2 and a half or 3 disease can be treated with balloon pulmonary angioplasty in the right in the right

frame which means that a surgeon has said I cannot operate on this a medical doctor has said boy they're not going to get better with their medicine let's try something else well this is that something else and that's what involves

everyone in this room so this is these are usually staged interventions with potentially high radiation and contrast dose if you think about it it's like Venis recan and a pulmonary AVM all-in-one so it's a potentially a long

complex procedure with a lot of contrast and a lot of radiation but it can provide a lot of benefit to these patients I'm going to talk about the comp potential complications at the end which is one reason why not

everyone should do these all the time so this is a pulmonary angiogram from the literature when you're injecting a selective pulmonary artery you can see that this patient has multiple stenosis there's no real good flow there the

vessels look shriveled up like I mentioned to you before you can get a balloon across it and balloon the areas and then you can see afterwards so the image a on the left is before an image D is afterwards believe it or not this are

in the most experienced hands because the most experienced hands are for palm the BP AR in Japan they do hundreds of cases of these a year at each hospital I've personally only done five so but this is a something that I'm very

interested in and you can see how how much benefit it has for that patient another way you can see these are the webs and the bands that I mentioned to you earlier so what's interesting is that if you look on the first set of

images on the top and the images on the bottom those are the same patients it's the same view before top rows before and the bottom rows after balloon pulmonary angioplasty so the first image is a pulmonary angiogram where if you kind of

see this there's there's some area areas of haziness those are the webs and bands the image on the the middle is the blown-up views and you can see those areas and then the image on the right is intravascular ultrasound which I use

every day in my practice it's a catheter with an ultrasound on it and when you look at it on the top image image see you can see a lot of thrombus you're actually not seeing flow and on image F on the bottom you're seeing red which is

the blood flow so these patients can actually improve the luminal diameter bye-bye ballooning them you can treat occlusions again image on the left shows you a pulmonary artery with a basically an occlusion proximally and then after

you reek analyze it and balloon it you can see that they can get much more

to talk about is indirect angiography this is kind of a neat trick to suggest to your intervention list as a problem solver we were asked to ablate this lesion and it looked kind of funny this patient had a resection for HCC they

thought this was a recurrence so we bring the comb beam CT and we do an angio and it doesn't enhance so this is an image here of indirect port ography so what you can do is an SMA run and see at which point along the

run do you pacify the portal vein and you just set up your cone beam CT for that time so you just repeat your injection and now your pacifying the entire portal vein even though you haven't selected it and what to show

well this was a portal aneurysm after resection with a little bit of clot in it the patient went on some aspirin and it resolved in three months so back to our first patient what do you do for someone who has HCC that's invading the

heart this patient underwent 2y 90s bland embolization microwave ablation chemotherapy and SBRT and he's an eight-year survivor so it's one of those things where certainly with the correct patient selection you can find the right

things to do for someone I think that usually our best results come from our interdisciplinary consensus in terms of trying to use the unique advantages that individual therapies have and IO is just one of those but this is an important

lesson to our whole group that you know a lot of times you get your best results when you use things like a team approach so in summary there are applications to IO prior to surgery to make people surgical candidates there are definitive

treatments ie your cancer will be treated definitively with curative intent a lot of times we can save when people have tried cure intent and weren't able to and obviously to palliate folks to try to buy them time

and quality of life thermal ablation is safe and effective for small lesions but it's limited by the adjacent anatomy y9t is not an ischemic therapy it's an ablative therapy you're putting small ablative radioactive particles within

the lesion and just using the blood supply as a conduit for your brachytherapy and you can use this as a new admin application to make people safer surgical candidates when you apply to the entire ride a panic globe

thanks everyone appreciate it [Applause] [Music]

of these issues filters are generally still use or were used up until a few years ago or five years ago almost exclusively and then between five years and a decade ago there was this new concept of proximal protection or flow

reversal that came about and so this is the scenario where you don't actually cross the lesion but you place a couple balloons one in the external carotid artery one in the common carotid artery and you stop any blood flow that's going

through the internal carotid artery overall so if there's no blood flowing up there then when you cross the lesion without any blood flow there's nothing nowhere for it to go the debris that that is and then you can angioplasty and

or stent and then ultimately place your stent and then get out and then aspirate all of that column of stagnant blood before you deflate the balloons and take your device out so step-by-step I'll walk through this a couple times because

it's a little confusing at least it was for me the first time I was doing this but common carotid artery clamping just like they do in surgery right I showed you the pictures of the surgical into our directa me they do the vessel loops

around the common carotid approximately the eca and the ICA and then actually of clamping each of those sites before they open up the vessel and then they in a sequential organized reproducible manner uncle Dee clamp or unclamp each of those

sites in the reverse order similar to this balloon this is an endovascular clamping if you will so you place this common carotid balloon that's that bottom circle there you inflate you you have that clamping that occurs right

so what happens then is that you've taken off the antegrade blood flow in that common carotid artery on that side you have retrograde blood flow that's coming through from the controller circulation and you have reverse blood

flow from the ECA the external carotid artery from the contralateral side that can retrograde fill the distal common carotid stump and go up the ica ultimately then you can suspend the antegrade blood flow up the common

carotid artery as I said and then you clamp or balloon occlude the external carotid artery so now if you include the external carotid artery that second circle now you have this dark red column of blood up the distal common carotid

artery all the way up the internal carotid artery up until you get the Circle of Willis Circle of Willis allows cross filling a blood on the contralateral side so the patient doesn't undergo stroke because they've

got an intact circulation and they're able to tolerate this for a period of time now you can generally do these with patients awake and assess their ability to tolerate this if they don't tolerate this because of incomplete circle or

incomplete circulation intracranial injury really well then you can you can actually condition the patient to tolerate this or do this fairly quickly because once the balloons are inflated you can move fairly quickly and be done

or do this in stepwise fashion if you do this in combination with two balloons up you have this cessation of blood flow in in the internal carotid artery you do your angioplasty or stenting and post angioplasty if need be and then you

aspirate your your sheath that whole stagnant column of blood you aspirate that with 320 CC syringes so all that blood that's in there and you can check out what you see in the filter but after that point you've taken all that blood

that was sitting there stagnant and then you deflate the balloons you deflate them in stepwise order so this is what happens you get your o 35 stiff wire up into the external carotid artery once it's in the external cart or you do not

want to engage with the lesion itself you take your diagnostic catheter up into the external carotid artery once you're up there you take your stiff wire right so an amp lats wire placed somewhere in the distal external carotid

artery once that's in there you get your sheath in place and then you get your moment devices a nine French device overall and it has to come up and place this with two markers the proximal or sorry that distal markers in the

proximal external carotid artery that's what this picture shows here the proximal markers in the common carotid artery so there's nothing that's touched that lesion so far in any of the images that I've shown and then that's the moma

device that's one of these particular devices that does proximal protection and and from there you inflate the balloon in the external carotid artery you do a little angiographic test to make sure that there's no branch

proximal branch vessels of the external carotid artery that are filling that balloon is inflated now in this picture once you've done that you can inflate the common carotid artery once you've done that now you can take an O on four

wire of your choice cross the lesion because there's no blood flow going so even if you liberated plaque or debris it's not going to go anywhere it's just gonna sit there stagnant and then with that cross do angioplasty this is what

it looks like in real life you have a balloon approximately you have a balloon distally contrast has been injected it's just sitting there stagnant because there's nowhere for it to go okay once the balloons are inflated you've

temporarily suspends this suspended any blood flow within this vasculature and then as long as you confirm that there's no blood flow then you go ahead and proceed with the intervention you can actually check pressures we do a lot of

pressure side sheath pressure measurements the first part of this is what the aortic pressure and common carotid artery pressures are from our sheath then we've inflated our balloons and the fact that there's even any

waveform is actually representative of the back pressure we're getting and there's actually no more antegrade flow in the common carotid artery once you've put this in position then you can stent this once the stent is in place and you

think you like everything you can post dilated and then once you've post dilated then you deflate your balloon right so you deflate your all this debris that's shown in this third picture is sitting there stagnant

you deflate the external carotid artery balloon first and then your common carotid artery and prior to deflating either the balloons you've aspirated the blood flow 320 CC syringes as I said we filter the contents of the third syringe

to see if there's any debris if there's debris and that third filter and that third syringe that we actually continue to ask for eight more until we have a clean syringe but there's no filter debris out because

that might tell us that there's a lot of debris in this particular column of blood because we don't want to liberate any of that so when do you not want to use this well what if the disease that you're dealing with extends past the

common carotid past the internal carotid into the common carotid this device has to pass through that lesion before it gets into the external carotid artery so this isn't a good device for that or if that eca is occluded so you can't park

that kampf balloon that distal balloon to balloon sheath distally into the external carotid artery so that might not be good either if the patient can't tolerate it as I mentioned that's something that we assess for and you

want to have someone who's got some experience with this is a case that it takes a quite a bit of kind of movement and coordination with with the physician technologists or and co-operators that

to have severe humor billion almost all all those that need your attention is about aghori portal veins though can be tremendously so the differentiation between hepatic artery and portal vein

bleeding is the big differentiator that will require you to do something about it most of the times if you injure the portal vein or hepatic vein these usually heal by themselves and it's counterintuitive the management of this

is actually to upsize your tube and they make sure the side holes are not adjacent to the bleeding vein it's crossing so it's counterintuitive that you upsize - for bleeding injure the vein more but

eventually those veins will thromboses off for that little branch the difficult situations of sahiba heavy hit an artery and here's one way we did a gram you can see the pacification the reason why you want to go into the peripheral duct I'll

show you always near the hilum is actually also very big blood are the blood vessels and the reason why we go peripheral the number of large vessels are much greater diminished so you always want in this patient was

transferred for an outside Hospital my PTC was performed by someone who obviously doesn't do a lot of these and access directly into the coma bar duct you can see all these filling defects all these filling defects in the combat

like those or clots and filled with someone who's actually had life-threatening significant he Mobilia and required what we did was they were just pacify the system get another peripheral access

right biliary system and embolize the track coming out and thereby removing the original axis that was placed by the outside hospital interventionists obviously the ones that aureus the most of the narco that will kill people is

the ones that hit our ease and pseudoaneurysm formation or tara Venus fistulas and I can be problematic in my only real ways their dresses trans cap the treatments a patient would have an angio we'd have to get into the pedagogy

find the feeding or it almost always though and we can predict way that bleeding artery is it's where your Y is crossing the architecture of the artery tree frequently you will not see it until you remove the tube so almost

always you would have to prep the right flank prep the groin to an angiogram with the tube in because you don't really want to be rushing at the beginning of your procedure you frequently do the angiogram not see

bleeding and then a second operator needs the described brake scrub get non sterile axes remove the blue tube repeat the angiogram and almost certainly then you'll see it but again it's very

predictable where it is but every now and then you get caught out and the bleeding side can be remote from where your actual Y or actual access transgressor you you do need to have a careful eye looking for that and so you

know when we looked at out and we do large numbers of blurry drainage the best predictor or and like I said Arturo Kimber Billy is actually related to your first tube and the size that you place and it's also

interesting like I said every now and then you're gonna see that bleeding arteries are actually not liver arteries and you can't bleed from the GDA internal memory from other procedures intercostal artery from where you put

your tube first needle through the liver through sorry through the ribs itself it's actually access site rather than your internal parenchymal your liver so it's actually important to also do sometimes it a water gram check the

intercostal artery because you'll miss it by doing a celiac or teragrams hepatic artery gram and don't understand why the patients still bleeding and here's just example of what a pseudoaneurysm does when we remove the

chief we can see the image on the right the blue tube has mean withdraw back and they you can see quite clearly there and sorry the pseudoaneurysm of the paddock right re and like any other immunization is important to go front door back door

implies across mainly because the liver architecture has a rich collateralization that will feed before and after and like I said the lake complication zone was or derived and related to tube maintenance and tubes

catching on to things in dislodgement and so these are just really you know your whoever answers the phones whether it's the physicians on call they have to manage with maintenance of these tubes and really just keeping these tubes open

as long as possible it's amazing how long some of these tubes do last in particular in benign but Lewis structures so management of these is really or expectant and the right advice and frequently just need to

get these tubes changements they're clogged sufficiently the difficult ones

so we kind of had a bunch of portal vein cases I think we'll stick with that theme and this is a 53 year old woman who presented to the emergency room with severe abdominal pain about three hours after she ate lunch she had a ruin why two weeks prior the medications were

really non-contributory and she had a high lactic acid so she they won her a tan on consi t scan and this is you can see back on the date which is two years ago or a year and a half ago we're still seeing her now and follow-up and there

was a suggestion that the portal vein was thrombosed even on the non con scan so we went ahead and got a duplex and actually the ER got one and confirmed that portal vein was occluded so they consulted us and we had this kind of

debate about what the next step might be and so we decided well like all these patients we'll put her on some anticoagulation and see how she does her pain improved and her lactate normalized but two days later when she tried to eat

a little bit of food she became severely symptomatic although her lactate remain normal she actually became hypotensive had severe abdominal pain and realized that she couldn't eat anything so then the question comes what do you do for

this we did get an MRA and you can see if there's extensive portal vein thrombus coming through the entire portal vein extending into the smv so what do we do here in the decision this is something that we do a good bit of

but these cases can get a little complicated we decided that would make a would make an attempt to thrombolysis with low-dose lytx the problem is she's only two weeks out of a major abdominal surgery but she did have recurrent

anorexia and significant pain we talked about trying to do this mechanically and I'd be interested to hear from our panel later but primary mechanical portal vein thrombus to me is oftentimes hard to establish really good flow based on our

prior results we felt we need some thrombolysis so we started her decided to access the portal vein trance of Pataca lee and you can see this large amount of clot we see some meds and tera collaterals later i'll show you the SMB

and and so we have a wire we have a wide get a wire in put a catheter in and here we are coming down and essentially decide to try a little bit of TPA and a moderate dose and we went this was late in the afternoon so we figured it would

just go for about ten or twelve hours and see what happened she returned to the IRS suite the following day for a lysis check and at that what we normally do in these cases is is and she likes a good bit but you can see there's still

not much intrahepatic flow and there's a lot of clots still present it's a little hard to catheterize her portal vein here we are going down in the SMB there's a stenosis there I'm not sure if that's secondary to her surgery but there's a

relatively tight stenosis there so we balloon that and then given the persistent clot burden we decide to create a tips to help her along so here we are coming transit paddock we have a little bit of open portal vein still not

great flow in the portal vein but we're able to pass a needle we have a catheter there so we can O pacify and and pass a needle in and here we are creating the tips in this particular situation we decide to create a small tips not use a

covered stent decide to use a bare metal stent and make it small with the hope that maybe it'll thrombosed in time we wouldn't have to deal with the long-term problems with having a shunt but we could restore flow and let that vein

remodel so now we're into the second day and this is you know we do this intermittently but for us this is not something most of the patients we can manage with anticoagulation so we do this tips but again the problem here is

a still significant clot in the portal vein and even with the tips we're not seeing much intrahepatic flow so we use some smart stance and we think we could do it with one we kind of miss align it so we

end up with the second one the trick Zieve taught me which is never to do it right the first time joking xiv and these are post tips and yo still not a lot of great flow in the portal vein in the smv

and really no intrahepatic flow so the question is do we leave that where do we go from here so at this point through our transit pata catheter we can pass an aspiration catheter and we can do this mechanical

aspiration of the right and left lobes you see us here vacuuming using this is with the Indigo system and we can go down the smv and do that this is a clot that we pull out after lysis that we still have still a lot of clot and now

when we do this run you see that s MV is open we're filling the right and left portal vein and we're able to open things up and and keep the the tips you see is small but it's enough I think to promote flow and with that much clot now

gone with that excellent flow we're not too worried about whether this tips goes down we coil our tract on the way out continue our own happened and then trance it kind of transfer over to anti platelets advanced or diet she does

pretty well she comes back for follow-up and the tips are still there it's open her portal vein remains widely Peyton she does have one year follow-up actually a year and a half out but here's her CT the tip shuts down the

portal vein stays widely Peyton the splenic vein widely Peyton she has a big hematoma here from our procedure unfortunately our diagnostic colleagues don't look at any of her old films and call that a tumor tell her that she

probably has a new HCC she panics unbeknownst to us even though we're following her she's in our office she ends up seeing an oncologist he says wait that doesn't seem to make sense he comes back to us this is 11 3 so

remember we did the procedure in 7 so this is five months later at the one year fault that hematoma is completely resolved and she's doing great asymptomatic so yeah the scope will effect right that's exactly right so so

in summary this is it's an interesting case a bit extreme that we often don't do these interventions but when we do I think creating the tips helps us here I think just having the tips alone wasn't going to be enough to remodel so we went

ahead and did the aspiration with it and in this case despite having a hematoma and all shams up resolved and she's a little bit of normal life now and we're still following up so thank you he's

stamp placement we talked a little bit about it I'm gonna talk to you a little

bit more about it and ideal stance is a straight stance that has a nice smooth curve with a portal vein and a nice smooth curve with a bad igneous end well you don't want is it is a tips that T's the sealing of the hepatic vein okay

that closes it okay and if there's a problem in the future it's very difficult to select okay or impossible to select okay you want it nice and smooth with a patek vein and IVC so you can actually get into it and it actually

has a nice hemodynamic outflow the same thing with the portal thing what you don't want is slamming at the floor of the portal vein and teeing that that floor where where it actually portly occludes your shunts okay or gives you a

hard time selecting the portal vein once you're in the tips in any future tips revisions okay other things you need it nice and straight so you do not want long curves new or torqued or kinks in your tips you

a nice aggressive decompressive tips that is nice and straight and opens up the tips shunt okay we talked a little bit you don't want it you don't want to tee the kind of the ceiling of the of the hepatic vein another problem that we

found out you want that tips stance to extend to the hepatic vein IVC Junction you do not want it to fall short of the paddock vein IVC Junction much okay much is usually a centimeter or centimeter and a half is it is acceptable

the problem with hepatic veins and this is the same pathology as the good old graft dialysis grafts what is the common sites of dialysis graft narrowing at the venous anastomosis why for this reason it's the same pathogenesis veins whether

it's in your arm for analysis whether it's in your liver or anywhere are designed for low flow low turbidity flow of the blood okay if you subject a vein of any type to high turbot high velocity flow it reacts by thickening its walls

it reacts by new intimal hyperplasia so if you put a big shunt which increases volume and increased flow turbidity in that area in that appear again the hepatic vein reacts by causing new into our plays you actually get a narrowing

of the Phatak vein right distal to the to the to the Patek venous end of the shunt so you need to take it all the way to the Big C to the IVC okay how much time do I have half an hour huh 17 minutes okay

Viator stents is one way let's say you don't have a variety or stent many countries you don't have a virus then what's an alternative do a barre covered stem combination you put a wall stent and then put a covered stance on the

inside okay so put a wall stent a good old-fashioned you know oldie but a goodie is is a 1094 okay you just put a ten nine four Wahl cent which is the go to walls down so I go to stand for tips before Viator

and then put a cover sentence inside whatever it is it's a could be a fluency it could be a could be a vibe on and and do that so that's another alternative for tips we talked about an ace tips as a central straight tips and it's not out

and fishing out in the periphery okay this is an occlusion with a wall stance this is why we use think this is why now we use stent grafts this is complete occlusion of the tips we're injecting contrast this is not the coral vein this

is actually the Billy retreat visit ptc okay that's a big Billy leaked into the into the tips okay and that's why we use covered stance I'm gonna move forward on this in early and early and experienced

workflow for pet MRI upon arrival the patient have to fill out questionnaires the MRI screening for contrast and allergy assessment pet screening form

the RT will review MRI screening for after he checked that the patients at MRI safe and no presence of a Mia Ferris fragments or anything he would give the paper to the RN the patient then will be escorted through the change room and

asked to put on robe and non slip shots this is these are the responsibilities of the nurse in our clinical workflow for pet MRI RN to review pet screening form and contrast questionnaire if patient have to receive gadolinium check

kidney function EGFR below 15 you notify the radiologist except for a of s below 30 you notify the radiologist check for allergies if allergic make sure patients is properly pre-medicated

check for Medicaid presence of medication patches and implanted infusion pumps now also you have to check for patient's blood glucose monitoring I have one but I would but I don't go inside the scanner so I'm safe

check for pregnancy status with pediatric patients we have a special process to follow the iron then obtains blood glucose and record if blood glucose is 70 to 199 we proceed with the scan anything above 200 we follow the

glycemic management with PET imaging flow chart and here's how our PET imaging flow chart looks like it looks complicated by its color coded it's three pages but I would like to show you some key points like the administration

of insulin is also based on the level of BMI you see on the arrow says BMI below 25 and there's another flow chart is if it's above 25 after that the patient will be brought back to the pet designated injection room

remember our pet MRI is located in zone three of the MRI area so prior to that the RT would the screen the patient again the patient would pass through the wall-mounted metal detector and nobody could go into song free without escorted

by the IRT or a nurse you have to swipe your ID to open the door mission when the patients in the hot room are in would obtain the height in centimeters and weight in kilos after that the RN now could do IV access once

secured you call the range of pharmacists that you're ready to inject so we wait until and the FDG dose would come up through the pneumatic children this is how our hot lab looks like the pneumatic tube to your left above is the

shower and we have the hoop to prepare for the dose or check for the dose and the wash station and once the those arrives the nurse injecting and the RT is scanning or the RT assisting just always two artists in one machine in our

MRI Department we have four magnets and only one is for MRI PET MRI it's always two artists in each machine so one RT is assisting you and with the patient so once the FDG arrives we do a patient identification using two patient

identifiers we check the label and the dose if it's correct the FDG then will be injected to the patient once injected we tell the patient they have to wait for 40 minutes during this time we instruct them to stay still not stay

still but limit movement and stimulation and inform them that we have a camera inside that room and the nurses in a and the nurses could monitor them in the nurse's station one RT will set up the scanner and computer

and patient will be screen and wondered prior to so on for so you get wandered twice check for ferrous presence patient then will be positioned on the scanner table by the pet mr technologies it takes 15

to 20 minutes for setup you have seen how the patient is position the whole body is covered by the coils and head is covered by another coil as anybody among he works in the institution who requires time out prior to injection raise your

hand please at ms KCC we do this is done by the injecting nurse and the RT is scanning the RT is reading information directly from the monitor not anywhere in the monitor while the nurse is comparing and listening into the using

the documents on hand this is done to ensure the five rights the right patient the right scan the right area your scanning the right contrast those and rate and method of administration as you all know is either given IV push or by

the dynamic or the injector timeout will be done if patient will be receiving gadolinium once the scan is finished IV access will be removed our artists are trying to remove and inject also so they are capable of removing the IV the

radiation card will be handed to the patient and paste after that patient would be assisted to the change room and discharge there is good thing when you change the patient into the robe and the non-skid

sucks because just in case there's a spill you're not sending that patient into the paper outfit they're not gonna be happy at all now I'm gonna bring you

are in the room here's a case of an 80

year old with a previous mi had a left hand are directing me and it's gonna go for a coronary bypass graft but they want this carotid stenting significant card accenting lesion to be treated first there's the non-invasive blow

through this but there's the lesion had a prior carotid endarterectomy so had that surgery we talked about first but at the proximal and distal ends of that patch has now a stone osis from the surgical fix that's developed so we

don't want to go back in surgically that's a high resolution we want for a transfer Merle approach and from there here's what it looks like an geographically mimics what we saw on the CT scan you can see the the marker and

the external carotid artery on the right that's the distal balloon and then proximally in the common carotid artery and they're noted there and then when you inflate the balloons you can see them inflated in the second image in the

non DSA image that's the external carotid room carotid artery balloon that's very proximal the common carotid balloon is below or obscured by the shoulders and ultimately when you inflate the common carotid balloon you

just have stagnant blood flow then we treat them you can see both balloons now and the external carotid and common carotid in place we have our angioplasty balloon across the lesion and then ultimately a stent and this is what it

looked like before this is what it looks like after and tolerated this quite well and we never had risk of putting the patient for dis Lombok protection or to salamba lusts overall I'm not gonna go over this real

criteria for CTF means that the patient has a mean pulmonary arterial pressure which we measure intraoperatively exceeding 25 millimeters mercury at rest with the mean pulmonary capillary wedge pressure less than 15 so I'm not a

cardiologist but what that means to me is a mean capillary pulmonary wedge pressure less than 15 means that their left heart is not failing so if you have a capillary wedge pressure higher than 15 that means your left heart is not

working correctly and you can't blame it on the CTF so you can't blame it on the right side if the left side isn't working other things that matter are the abnormal pulmonary vascular resistance and having a systolic pulmonary artery

pressure greater than 40 so what I want to show you and highlight is the law the lost art of pulmonary angiography which i think is now sort of again a lost art some places do a lot of it and some places don't do very much but diagnostic

pulmonary angiography is actually the gold standard in the planning of either surgery or medical management for patients with CTF we do we do these on almost all of our patients with CTF to make that decision with the surgeons and

the cardiologists so the utility is very it's very useful you're able to measure our pressure you're able to decide whether we're the where the thrombus exists in this image here in patients with disease in the

blue and yellow outlined areas those are the patients who can have the operation the operation is curative it's not just medication that you have to take for the rest of your life you can actually remove that chronic clot it's much like

a femoral endarterectomy that are done for patients with peripheral arterial disease although it's a lot more complicated because they have to crack your chest open what's important is getting very very

good high-quality pulmonary angiogram xand so we do we used to do about we do about a hundred of these a year where I trained or actually where I work now and you get very magda up views and you're gonna show all of the vessels and so

these are the views that we use at our institution they happen to be the pipette criteria so it's the same thing you used to do for acute PE you put a flush catheter in the main pulmonary arteries when you're looking at the

upper lobes and when you're looking at the lower lobes you want to push the catheter further into the pulmonary arteries and inject usually what I do is a two to three second injection so that you can stack the images very well and

show all of them in one view this allows your surgeon to make a decision easily as to whether they can operate or they can't operate on this and then I use a higher frame rate usually because these patients are wide awake we when we do

this case we give our patients twenty five mics of fentanyl one time and that's it just to help get the sheath in I usually do this with a seven French sheath and then use a flush cap pulmonary artery catheter many of which

are currently off the market but when we do this we just give them that twenty five Mike's because they have to hold their breath and I usually go up to a high frame rate in the first run and then adjust based off of how well that

patient is holding their breath this really takes a team effort from our nursing technologists and the and the physicians in the room to make sure that this patient does a good job because it's gonna change their management so

there are a lot of different types of angiographic findings on one of these pulmonary angiogram they're really really interesting pulmonary angiogram zin these patients and they're sometimes not at all subtle so you're looking for

a pruning of distal vessels if we start in the top left where you're just not seeing the Brent normal branch pattern you look for stenosis so we're not usually used to looking at stenosis and the pulmonary arteries but this is

actually what you're looking for in CTF you're looking for webs or bands so you'll usually see little areas where you just doesn't look like there's great opacification there's little areas that there's not good at pacification those

are little webs inside the vessel believe it or not looks like a cobweb that grew inside there from that thrombus and then you're looking for areas of complete occlusion that there's just no vessels there those are all

vessels that can be treated in patients with CTF so this is the Jameson classification before we talk about the sort of the interventional management the surgical management is again the curative and dr. Jameson is the head

surgeon at University of California in San Diego which is the largest Palm CTF program in the in the world and he's done I think over 3 500 of these operations I think he's retired at this point but they named the classification

after him and so type 1 is proximal disease so it involves the main pulmonary arteries these are the ideal patients who can get the best benefit from this in their life type 2 is the next best

it's segmental proximal just type 3 is distal segmental and then type 4 is just a mess of sort of all of it but you can't really get a good surgical plane so type 1 and 2 are treated with pulmonary thromboembolism

towards balloon pulmonary angioplasty or BPA and type 4 are generally treated with medication so PT II or pulmonary

next is me talking about Egypt and Ethiopia and how I are how IRS practice in Egypt and Ethiopia and I think feather and Musti is gonna talk a little bit about Ethiopia as well he's got a

lot of experience about in about Ethiopia I chose these two countries to show you the kind of the the the the difference between different countries with within Africa Egypt is the 20th economy worldwide by GDP third largest

economy in Africa by some estimates the largest economy in Africa it's about a hundred million people about a little-little and about thirty percent of the population in the u.s. 15 florist's population worldwide and has

about a little over a hundred ir's right now 15 years ago they had less than ten IRS and fifteen years ago they had maybe two to three IRS at a hundred percent nowadays they're exceeding a hundred IRS so tremendous gross in the last 15 years

in the other hand Ethiopia is a very similar sized country but they only have three to five IRS that are not a hundred percent IRS and are still many of them are under training so there are major differences between countries within

within Africa countries that still need a lot of help and a lot of growth and countries that are like ten fifteen years ahead as far as as far as intervention ready intervention radiology

most of the practice in Ethiopia are basic biopsies drainages and vascular access but there is new workshops with with embolization as well as well as well as vascular access in Egypt the the ir practice is heavily into

interventional oncology and cancer that's the bulk that's the bulk of their of their practices you also get very strong neuro intervention radiology and that's mostly most of these are French trained and not

American trains so they're the neuro IRS in Egypt or heavily French and Belgian trains with with french-speaking influence but the bulk of the body iron that's not neuro is mostly cancer and it involves y9e tastes ablations high-end

ablations there's no cryoablation in Egypt there is high-end like like a nano knife reverse electric race electroporation in Egypt as well but there is no cryo you also get a specialty embolization such as fibroids

prostate and embroiders are big in Egypt they're growing very very rapidly especially prostates hemorrhoids and fibroids is an older one but it's still there's still a lot of growth for fibroid embolization zyou FES in Egypt

there's some portal portal intervention there's a lot of need for that but not a lot of IRS are actually doing portal intervention and then there's nonvascular such as billary gu there's also vascular access a lot of

the vascular access is actually done by nephrology and is not done by not not done by r is done by some high RS varicose veins done by vascular surgery and done by IRS as an outpatient there's a lot of visceral angiography as well

renal and transplants stuff so it's pretty high ends they do not do P ad very few IR s and maybe probably two IR s in the country that actually do P ad the the rest of the P ad is actually endovascular PA DS done by vascular

surgery a Horta is done all by vascular surgery and cardiothoracic surgery it's not done it's not done by IR IR s are asked just to help with embolization sometimes help with trying to get a catheter in a certain area but it's

really run by by vascular surgeons but but most more or less it's it's the whole gamut and I'm going to give you a little example of how things are different that when it comes to a Kannamma 'kz there's no dialysis work

they don't do Pfister grams they don't do D clots the reason for that is the vascular surgeons are actually very good at establishing fishless and they usually don't have a

lot of problems with it sometimes if the fistula is from Beau's door narrowed it's surgically revised they do a surgical thrombectomy because it's a lot cheaper it's a lot cheaper than balloons sheaths and and trying to and try a TPA

is very expensive it's a lot cheaper for a surgeon to just clean it out surgically and resuture it there's no there's no inventory there are no expensive consumables so we don't see dialysis as far as fistula or dialysis

conduits at all in Egypt and that's usually a trend in developed in developed countries next we'll talk

typical symptoms if you want to hit the play on this I think this is one we've probably already seen but it's it's the the algorithm that I go through for treatment so we do my renal vena Graham

there we go it's classic definitely has reflux and so next I will selectively catheterize the gonadal vein and here you see very large pelvic varicosities and so my standard is to actually treat the varicose veins with a sclerostin

much like I would sclerosis a varicose vein in the leg and there's a few reasons that I do that and so here's how I do it I'll put an occlusion blown up you see the picture on the left of the screen has an occlusion balloon it's the

same occlusion balloon we use for a tips procedure and I'll temporarily block the gonadal vein and fill up the system or the varicosities with contrast so that I get a sense for the volume of sclerosis and I would use then the picture on the

right is a venogram after I've injected the sclerostin so I've evaluated the volume and then I've replaced all that contrast by forcing it through the system to drain out the pelvic veins and filling the varicosities with

soldier column I do that because I believe and there's no data to prove it that it helps prevent superficial phlebitis in those varicosities so if we're just gonna block off the gonna dull vein then we have stagnant blood in

all the pelvic varicosities and stating that blood wants to clot and when blood clots on its own it'll stretch and expand the vein and cause pain and so in my own personal experience that has created a little bit worse post

procedural symptoms for patients compared to the patients that I use so TRADOC all to actually treat the varicosities so that's what I start out with and then since I'm kind of an old-fashioned guy I still go with the

coils and so I coiled the whole going a ttle vein and you can use sort of whatever you want you know that's the simplest thing for me are using nester coiours coils and and fill it up some people use the long detachable shaping

coils kind of an expensive way to do it if it saves you radiation then then that's that's one of the reasons to do it but the point is in in the venous system you have to be able to and I show this slide because you can see a

collateral vein or at least a branch there a confluence point that we've coiled off too if you do not treat the entire length there's a there's a lot higher chance for recurrence and veins have a way to find their way around if

they can communicate back up then patient gets recurrent symptoms and that can happen in about ten percent of cases so in order to prevent that you treat the whole gun out of vein and that's sort of why I think some people like to

use liquid sclerosis because then they will be able to sort of profuse all those branch points that would have a chance for recurrence case number two

who came in with just over she had a four month with delayed heal wound she finally presented at us after the wound

healed because she had rest pain that wasn't recognized they thought the pain was due to the the wound the wound healed and they realized oh she still has pain well that's because she has crippled limb ischemia and so she was

she was brought in for that just you know she has bilateral disease I'm just gonna concentrate on talking about the right leg for for today's discussion but she does have inflow disease in these types of patients I do get

cross-sectional imaging so I can determine just how extensive the iliac diseases or if it involves the aorta to then determine what it what to make sort of jumping into it so the right leg again she has about a 10-7

occlusion of the bright SFA this occlusion here's the femur for reference the knee is actually down way down here so this is actually just above the a doctor again tried to use in this case I did do wire work I got past a good

portion of it here's my wire right here and here's the O pacified lumen so what you can see is the wires actually adjacent to the lumen so at this point I'm re said suspecting that I'm sub intimal I confirm that by removing the

wire do little puff there's blushing that blush is up intimal so I know I'm sub intimal so at this point what were the things you can do obviously the first things you do try to pull that back try to find a different space a

different location to wreak analyze when that's not successful then you start thinking about southern super recanalization multiple devices for that there's the outback device which is a little hook that you can try to spear

yourself into the main lumen and pass a wire there's also device from Medtronic about the anterior device what this is it's a balloon that you inflate to sort of stick yourself into that wall it has two ports that are on the side one

points one direction one points the other direction it allows you to find that open lumen and we use a re-entry angled wire to get back in so in this case just as a cartoon here's the the anterior device place downward this is

would be the balloon inflated you would basically jab into the port into the into the main lumen so that's sort of basically what I did here again here's the agile device each of the ports you can see as a little divot once you put

it sideways you can determine which we are going to stick there's my wire right into the lumen and there it is down further into the rest of the the vessel subsequent to that pre-dive it with a three and then overlapping

since were used finally here is her post i did treat both legs but you can see just the dramatic difference going from the monophasic waveforms to tri-phasic waveforms restoration table api's for her I couldn't help but throw this in

I like to talk about brain infarc after Castro its of its year very symbolic a shoe and my name is first name is a shorter and probably you cannot remember my first name but probably you can remember my email address and join ovation very easy 40 years old man presenting with hematemesis and those coffee shows is aphasia verax and gastric barracks and how can i use arrow arrow on the monitor no point around yes so so you can see the red that red that just a beside the endoscopy image recent bleeding at the gastric barracks

so the breathing focus is gastric paddocks and that is a page you're very X and it is can shows it's a page of Eric's gastric barracks and chronic poor vein thrombosis with heaviness transformation of poor vein there is a spline or inertia but there is no gas drawer in urgent I'm sorry tough fast fast playing anyway bleeding focus is gastric barracks but in our hospital we don't have expert endoscopist

for endoscopy crew injections or endoscopic reinjection is not an option in our Hospital and I thought tips may be very very difficult because of chronic Peruvian thrombosis professors carucha tri-tips in this patient oh he is very busy and there is a no gas Torino Shanta so PRT o is not an option so we decided to do percutaneous there is your embolization under under I mean there are many ways to approach it

but under urgent settings you do what you can do best quickly oh no that's right yes and and this patience main program is not patent cameras transformation so percutaneous transit party approach may have some problem and we also do transit planning approach and this kind of patient has a splenomegaly and splenic pain is big enough to be punctured by ultrasonography and i'm a tips beginner so I don't like tips in this difficult

case so transplanting punch was performed by ultrasound guidance and you can see Carolus transformation of main pervane and splenorenal shunt and gastric varices left gastric we know officios Castries bezier varices micro catheter was advanced and in geography was performed you can see a Terrell ID the vascular structure so we commonly use glue from be brown company and amputee cyanoacrylate MBC is mixed with Italy

powder at a time I mixed 1 to 8 ratio so it's a very thin very thin below 11% igloo so after injection of a 1cc of glue mixture you can see some glue in the barracks but some glue in the promontory Audrey from Maneri embolism and angiography shows already draw barracks and you can also see a subtraction artifact white why did you want to be that distal

why did you go all the way up to do the glue instead of starting lower i usually in in these procedures i want to advance the microcatheter into the paddocks itself and there are multiple collateral channels so if i in inject glue at the proximal portion some channels can be occluded about some channels can be patent so complete embolization of verax cannot be achieved and so there are multiple paths first structures so multiple injection of glue is needed

anyway at this image you can see rigid your barracks and subtraction artifacting in the promenade already and probably renal artery or pyramid entry already so it means from one area but it demands is to Mogambo region patient began to complain of headache but american ir most american IRS care the patient but Korean IR care the procedure serve so we continue we kept the procedure what's a little headache right to keep you from completing your

procedure and I performed Lippitt eight below embolization again and again so I used 3 micro catheters final angel officio is a complete embolization of case repair ax patients kept complaining of headache so after the procedure we sent at a patient to the city room and CT scan shows multiple tiny high attenuated and others in the brain those are not calcification rapado so it means systemic um embolization Oh bleep I adore mixtures

of primitive brain in park and patient just started to complain of blindness one day after diffusion-weighted images shows multiple car brain in park so how come this happen unfortunately I didn't know that Porter from Manila penis anastomosis at the time one article said gastric barracks is a connectivity read from an airy being by a bronchial venous system and it's prevalence is up to 30 percent so normally blood flow blood in the barracks drains into the edge a

ghost vein or other systemic collateral veins and then drain into SVC right heart and promontory artery so from what embolism may have fun and but in most cases in there it seldom cause significant cranker problem but in this case barracks is a connectivity the promontory being fired a bronchial vein and then glue mixture can drain into the rapture heart so glue training to aorta and system already causing brain in fog or systemic embolism so let respectively

now other causes this is a little bit different different scenario here but it's not always just as simple as all

there's leaky valves in the gonadal vein that are causing these symptoms this is 38 year old Lafleur extremity swelling presented to our vein clinic has evolved our varicosities once you start to discuss other symptoms she does have

pelvic pain happiness so we're concerned about about pelvic congestion and I'll mention here that if I hear someone with exactly the classic symptoms I won't necessarily get a CT scan or an MRI because again that'll give me secondary

evidence and it won't tell me whether the veins are actually incompetent or not and so you know I have a discussion with the patient and if they are deathly afraid of having a procedure and don't want to have a catheter that goes

through the heart to evaluate veins then we get cross-sectional imaging and we'll look for secondary evidence if we have the secondary evidence then sometimes those patients feel more comfortable going through a procedure some patients

on the other hand will say well if it's not really gonna tell me whether the veins incompetent or not why don't we just do the vena Graham and we'll get the the definite answer whether there's incompetence or not and you'll be able

to treat it at the same time so in this case we did get imaging she wanted to take a look and it was you know shame on me because it's it's a good thing we did because this is not the typical case for pelvic venous congestion what we found

is evidence of mather nur and so mather nur is compression of the left common iliac vein by the right common iliac artery and what that can do is cause back up of pressure you'll see her huge verax here and here for you guys

huge verax in that same spot and so this lady has symptoms of pelvic venous congestion but it's not because of valvular incompetence it's because of venous outflow obstruction so Mather 'nor like I mentioned is compression of

that left common iliac vein from the right common iliac artery as shown here and if you remember on the cartoon slide for pelvic congestion I'm showing a dilated gonna delve a non the left here but in this case we have obstruction of

the common iliac vein that's causing back up of pressure the blood wants to sort of decompress itself or flow elsewhere and so it backed up into the internal iliac veins and are causing her symptoms along with her of all of our

varicosities and just a slide describing everything i just said so i don't think we have to reiterate that the treatments could you go back one on that I think I did skip over that treatments from a thern er really are also endovascular

it's really basically treating that that compression portion and decompressing the the pelvic system and so here's our vena Graham you can see that huge verax down at the bottom and an occluded iliac vein so classic Mather nur but causing

that pelvic varicosity and the pelvic congestion see huge pelvic laterals in pelvic varicosities once we were able to catheterize through and stent you see no more varicosity because it doesn't have to flow that way it flows through the

way that that it was intended through the iliac vein once it's open she came back to clinic a week later significant improvement in symptoms did not treat any of the gonadal veins this was just a venous obstruction causing the increased

pressure and symptoms of pelvic vein congestion how good how good are we at

so this shows you this shows you how so this typically you've accessed the portal vein now and you're in next up you basically pass the wire down this just gives you a little depiction of

what you're what you're what you're doing here this think of this is a sagittal and Deliver okay hepatic vein and portal vein it's the sagittal and what you're trying to do is

and if you're in the right hepatic vein you need to pass your needle anteriorly to hit the right portal vein okay and the right portal vein is usually anterior and interfere to the Patek vein okay so you pass your wire you're you

NEET your needle and when if you're missing the portal vein usually what's happening is that you're scooping behind it okay your posterior to it and sometimes you'll find the operators will actually increase the curve in the

needle so they can actually reach anterior anterior and actually hit the portal vein because usually usually if you if you know you're in the right place that the right hepatic vein not in the middle of petting vain and

you're missing the portal vein you need to reach anterior more so they put a little extra curve in the kelp into needle to actually catch that right portal vein okay with liver cirrhosis you get shrinking shrinkage of the liver

size the liver decreases the portal vein starts moving more anterior and more superior and closer to that paddock vein okay and it becomes more and more difficult to actually hit it so the smaller the liver the harder the liver

the smaller the space and you've got a thick mat piece of metal okay it's very difficult to hit that okay it becomes more and more challenging with with smaller levels to hit to hit the portal vein especially centrally okay this is

an access kit a new access kit by Gore it's basically the similar to the similar to the Cal Pinto needle it's a little longer with a little bit increase angulation compared to the traditional ring kits or the Cole Pinto needle but

once accessed you pass a wire okay into the portal circulation there are two ways of doing this okay there's a traditional old-school way that's my way is that to use a Benson wire okay the youngsters the Millennials are using

glide wires okay so if you're dealing with a millennial physician they're usually going for the glide okay if you're dealing with them with an older you know guy or gal they're using usually using a Benson wire okay the

advantage of the Benson wire is that has a floppy tip it actually you just push it in and hits the wall it prolapses into the main portal vein right away as you can see just prolapse and portal vein if you're using a glide where

you're catching all sorts of things you'll have small branches you don't know where you're going your V's even sometimes dissecting outside of the portal vein they're second-guessing themselves all the time but actually the

good way with a little bit of more different skillset is that you use use actual good old fashioned Benson wire actually goes in prolapses right away into the ends of the main into the main portal vein rarely would I actually use

light or switch to a glare that's usually if I'm coming in in a small in a small branch or an orchid angle where I have to use a glide right to try to get around the angle because I don't have enough room for a Benson to actually hit

the wall and prolapse is very really really tight space so tights Bates funny angles I'll switch to a glide where if it's a straight forward a Benson as very is very straight forward okay try to get the sheath as much into the portal vein

over the over the needle over the wire as possible and then you balloon your tract okay through the sheath okay some people will balloon with a six millimeter boom some people will balloon with an eight millimeter blue eye

balloon with an eight four okay at night and I make sure it's a four so that I actually use the balloon as the measurements for this four centimeters actually you I actually use the balloon to measure my to measure my Viator's

stance okay with the balloon there there'll be two waists there's a portal venous entry site and the Ematic venous entry site so you actually gauge that and take a picture of it so you actually see how long your tract is where's your

hepatic venous access who has your portal venous axis actually gives you a lot of anatomy here been engaging in actually putting where your Viator stent is okay usually high pressure balloon I use it and ate some people will use a

six or even a seven millimeter balloon

people were thinking about the covered

portion actually actually would be occlusive in that paddock veins a lot of people are concerned about that this could be kind of like a but carry you're gonna actually occlude flow in the paddy vein caused thromboses that didn't pan

out at least clinically okay it didn't pan out and that's another advantage of actually accessing very close to the paddock vein IVC junction that's where the biggest vein is so you don't get a lot of occlusive problems okay but

usually clinically it does not pan out so the bigger the hepatic vein the more likely you have a lot of room around your your graft you won't be occlusive to the paddock vein that's more important for for transplants than other

than others I told you it's rare this is actually a very rare case of such that where you actually have a segmental segmental kind of but carry after a tips okay and you know this is actually from a form of venous outflow from the ematic

vein this is a perfusion defect typical it's a wedge right typical perfusion defect in the liver that's how you death so you know this is vascular this is a perfusion problem but you've got hepatic artery readout artery the red arrows

running into the segments and you have portal vein running into the segments so what's the problem it's actually a paddock vein occlusion okay by the stents subclinical no no clinical complaints you let it be

in the patients usually recover okay treat the patients and not the images okay on the other side if you put their tips too deep sometimes you actually get thromboses of the portal vein branch

again you get a call from hepatology you've got portal vein thrombosis is the patient doing okay yes treat the patient and not the images they usually resolve this it's not not a big problem another technical problem

I'm gonna focus mostly on technical for you guys this is a but key area okay and the but carry especially in the acute stage the liver is not like a cirrhotic liver is big liver is actually engorged okay so it's very large usually

your needle is too short to even reach the portal vein okay that's a big problem okay because your access needle is too short for a very large engorged the portal vein so this is as deep as it

goes do I have a see that that do you see that needle tip that's as deep as the needle tip goes okay the portal vein is a good distance away okay luckily this is a co2 porta gram luckily I'm actually in a small branch right

there I just hit it on you know and on this is not the there's not a needle tract this is just luckily hitting it a little branch and on so I'm actually accessing the portal vein and I can do a co2 porta gram here okay

typical inexperienced person would say you know this looks good I'm lucky I'm in a branch but it's a nice smooth curve I'll just pass a wire down and I'll balloon it and I'll put a stent in it's a nice curve and you know so it's my

lucky day I don't need to extend my needle or get a bigger longer needle to reach the portal vein here's the problem with this and this is exactly what this is exactly what this is they pass a wire and it looks beautiful just put a stent

and go home okay here's the problem this is actually the small branch access sites this is actually where you really need to access world vane but your needle is not long enough okay

what we found out is that if you are in a small in a small portal vein no matter how much you balloon it it will come down again and it will be narrow so believe it or not if you go sideways in a portal vein and rip it open with a

balloon it will stay open but if you go down of small portal vein and balloon it open it will always contract down okay so you cannot do a tips simply by ballooning and putting a stent in in this case okay what we do is we actually

denude the vein itself we actually rip it off okay and make it a raw parenchyma and we do that with a Tortola device we literally rip off the paddock the paddock portal sorry the portal vein endothelium and media and adventitia rip

it off make it completely raw as if it's an access as if it's a liver brain coma which is which it is now and then we then we balloon dilates okay rip it off denude it angioplasty it's okay and then put the stent and see that aggression

despite all that aggression of ripping it off it still has an hour kind of an hourglass shape to the to the tips okay that little constraint there that's the hepatic venous access sites this is the parenchymal tract to see nice and open

with a balloon but the but the actual vein that we've been through despite our aggression in actually ripping it off it's still narrowed down but this is as good as it gets okay

so just a compliment what we everybody's talked about I think a great introduction for diagnosing PID the imaging techniques to evaluate it some of the Loney I want to talk about some of the above knee interventions no disclosures when it sort of jumped into

a little bit there's a 58 year old male who has a focal non-healing where the right heel now interestingly we when he was referred to me he was referred to for me for a woman that they kept emphasizing at the anterior end going

down the medial aspect of the heel so when I literally looked at that that was really a venous stasis wound so he has a mixed wound and everybody was jumping on that wound but his hour till wound was this this right heel rudra category-five

his risk factors again we talked about diabetes being a large one that in tandem with smoking I think are the biggest risk factors that I see most patient patients with wounds having just as we talked about earlier we I started

with a non-invasive you can see on the left side this is the abnormal side the I'm sorry the right leg is the abnormal the left leg is the normal side so you can see the triphasic waveforms the multiphasic waveforms on the left the

monophasic waveforms immediately at the right I don't typically do a lot of cross-sectional imaging I think a lot of information can be obtained just from the non-invasive just from this the first thing going through my head is he

has some sort of inflow disease with it that's iliac or common I'll typically follow within our child duplex to really localize the disease and carry out my treatment I think a quick comment on a little bit of clinicals so these

waveforms will correlate with your your Honourable pencil Doppler so one thing I always emphasize with our staff is when they do do those audible physical exams don't tell me whether there's simply a Doppler waveform or a Doppler pulse I

don't really care if there's not that means their leg would fall off what I care about is if monophasic was at least multiphasic that actually tells me a lot it tells me a lot afterwards if we gain back that multiphase the city but again

looking at this a couple of things I can tell he has disease high on the right says points we can either go PITA we can go antegrade with no contralateral in this case I'll be since he has hide he's used to the right go contralateral to

the left comment come on over so here's the angio I know NGOs are difficult Aaron when there's no background so just for reference I provided some of the anatomy so this is the right you know groin area

right femur so the right common from artery and SFA you have a downward down to the knee so here's the pop so if we look at this he has Multi multi multiple areas of disease I would say that patients that have above knee disease

that have wounds either have to level disease meaning you have iliac and fem-pop or they at least have to have to heal disease typically one level disease will really be clot against again another emphasis a lot of these patients

since they're not very mobile they're not very ambulatory this these patients often come with first a wound or rest pain so is this is a patient was that example anyway so what we see again is the multifocal occlusions asta knows

he's common femoral origin a common femoral artery sfa origin proximal segment we have a occlusion at the distal sfa so about right here past the air-duct iratus plus another occlusion at the mid pop to talk about just again

the tandem disease baloney he also has a posterior tibial occlusion we talked about the fact that angio some concept so even if I treat all of this above I have to go after that posterior tibial to get to that heel wound and complement

the perineal so ways to reach analyze you know the the biggest obstacle here is on to the the occlusions i want to mention some of the devices out there I'm not trying to get in detail but just to make it reader where you know there's

the baiance catheter from atronics essentially like a little metal drill it wobbles and tries to find the path of least resistance to get through the occlusion the cross or device from bard is a device that is essentially or what

I call is a frakking device they're examples they'll take a little peppermint they'll sort of tap away don't roll the hole peppermint so it's like a fracking device essentially it's a water jet

that's pulse hammering and then but but to be honest I think the most effective method is traditional wire work sorry about that there are multiple you know you're probably aware of just CTO wires multi weighted different gramm wires 12

gram 20 gram 30 gram wires I tend to start low and go high so I'll start with the 12 gram uses supporting micro catheter like a cxi micro catheter a trailblazer and a B cross so to look at here the sheath I've placed a sheet that

goes into the SFA I'm attacking the two occlusions first the what I used is the micro catheter about an 1/8 micro catheter when the supporting my catheters started with a trailblazer down into the crossing the first

occlusion here the first NGO just shows up confirmed that I'm still luminal right I want to state luminal once I've crossed that first I've now gone and attacked the second occlusion across that occlusion so once I've cross that

up confirm that I'm luminal and then the second question is what do you want to do with that there's gonna be a lot of discussions on whether you want Stan's direct me that can be hold hold on debate but I think a couple of things we

can agree we're crossing their courageous we're at the pop if we can minimize standing that region that be beneficial so for after ectomy couple of flavors there's the hawk device which

essentially has a little cutter asymmetrical cutter that allows you to actually shave that plaque and collect that plaque out there's also a horrible out there device that from CSI the dime back it's used to sort of really sort of

like a plaque modifier and softened down that plaque art so in this case I've used this the hawk device the hawk has a little bit of a of a bend in the proximal aspect of the catheter that lets you bias the the device to shape

the plaque so here what I've done you there you can see the the the the the teeth itself so you can tell we're lateral muta Liz or right or left is but it's very hard to see did some what's AP and posterior so usually

what I do is I hop left and right I turned the I about 45 degrees and now to hawk AP posterior I'm again just talking left to right so I can always see where the the the the AP ended so I can always tell without the the teeth

are angioplasty and then here once I'm done Joan nice caliber restored flow restored then we attacked the the common for most enosis and sfa stenosis again having that device be able to to an to direct

that device allows me to avoid sensing at the common femoral the the plaque is resolved from the common femoral I then turn it and then attack the the plaque on the lateral aspect again angioplasty restore flow into the common firm on the

proximal SFA so that was the there's the plaque that you can actually obtain from that Hawk so you're physically removing that that plaque so so that's you know that's the the restoration that flow just just you know I did attack the

posterior tibial I can cross that area I use the diamond back for that balloon did open it up second case is a woman

so my Xtreme ir case is a TVR with on a patient with a type you tie section and then we use laser to find a straight the dissection flap and I just want to before I start I just want to give a big shout-out to my attending dr. Kasia and Rudy pump Adi on our IR resident Rudy

put these really cool illustrations together as you will see on these upcoming slides and dr. Kaja he did this case and basically it helps me with everything so since your old male patient presenting with history of

chronic type UTI section um he was medically managed with and I'll G Saxena antihypertensives and then he came into the ER a couple months later and it was complaining of severe back and chest pain so a CTA was

performed and and they found that there was a significant growth in the descending thoracic aorta and so we have a couple images here we have a 3d reconstruction of the aorta as well as the sagittal image of that CTA and does

anyone notice anything about this 3d on aorta no so this patient has a variant he has a bull vine arch actually so the left common carotid is coming off the right you nominate um but vessel the arteries so it's nice for us when we're

placing that and negraph we have more more of a landing zone so we're not covering any of important structures other than the less left subclavian artery and so we're the two arrow heads are on the sagittal image you will see

that there's reentry tears so if you look at the 3d image so the dissection is that line right in the middle and so it's starting at the origin of near the LSA and ending at the level of the celiac artery okay so we obtained right

and left common femoral access and you obtain left brachial access as well and the reason for left particular access is once we get our enter graph gen we're going to go ahead and I'm pass the wire through and a laser through and find us

to find a straight through that under graft so you can have flow but I will talk about that later so we put a twenty French dry seal sheath and the right groin and in the left groin we had a 8 by 45

she's and that was basically to accommodate IVA so they can kind of get a feel for what we're doing it just like another resource we have so we have two IVs images here the one on the left with the yellow arrow basically is just

showing us that thickened dissection flap and the Ibis on the right is the love of the celiac artery so the celiac artery is where that green arrow is pointing to and the white arrow head is basically just showing us that reentry

tear at that level and so through the right through the right the sheet on the right hand side the 20 French try seal sheets we placed the 7 by a 55 Aptus on steerable tour tour guide sheath so that basically can angle up to 180 degrees so

we place that up to sheath in the true lumen of the aorta and pointing towards the false lumen and then I just put some pictures up of what a dissection looks like I don't know if a lot of people a lot of you guys on do dissection their

frustrations I mean your practice but I just thought it would be nice to show and so once we have the Aptus sheep up in the true lumen and have it pointed towards on the false women we confirmed with the eye this just to make sure

we're on the right spot and we're not we're not going to harm any other structures when we laser so once we have that up we use laser to kind of poke a hole and fenestrated create that's here and once we did that we dragged while

the laser was on we dragged the baptists sheath down 4 centimeters and created a large terror so the whole goal is to open up that dissection so we could eventually place that under graph so once and that there's a florist got the

image of ibis and apt the Aptus sheath and all that and so we created a large tiara and then what we did was we passed the 18 wire into the false live and we angioplasty with the 14 by 4 centimeter balloon and as you can see that there is

some waste on that balloon and then eventually it dilated up to you know now I'm gonna burst rate which was 18 and so that Ibis is basically showing us that's here that we just made in our dissection flap

okay am I not there we go okay so once we angioplasty be repeated the same thing so we put the laser back up get a small tear right underneath large penetrations here that we just said and then we angioplasty it so once we

angioplasty we connected that top tier and bottom tear together we opened it all up and we angioplasty it again after that so once that I mean go back so once the angioplasty so right underneath that big tear that we just made so between

the tear that we just made and the re-entry is here at the level of a celiac you still have that little piece of a dissection flap that we still need to open to place our under graft so once we did that once we angioplasty through

the right groin we passed up a glide catheter and the true lumen and pointed it towards the false women and through on the tear that we just made we passed the v18 wire and through the left groin we went up with a 20 millimeter loop

snare and so we grabbed the the 18 wire and so that loop snare went and that reentry tear and like into the false lumen so our whole point is to get through and through access with that wire so we can use as a wire cutter to

cut the remaining flaps so that's what we did so we we grabbed that snare we grab that v18 with the snare we pulled it out of the left groin and we obtained through and through access okay so you're just ripping it down yeah

basically it's like it she goes somewhere yeah yeah you got it yeah that's exact don't ask a question to what you don't want the answer so basically that's what we did so once we got through into access we advanced both

sheets and we kind of like pull down to to cut the remaining flap so once we did that we basically had everything open so we were ready to place our under graft so we did angiography and then we ended up

deploying the descent and then so once we would deploy the stent we basically covered that LSA the left subclavian artery so that's exactly why we got brachial access so we pass the wire through and got to the origin of the LSA

and then we ended up putting the laser down and then we turn the laser on poked a hole and so now we have this hole and this endograft so once we did that we angioplasty it and then we deploy the stents okay and so now we have a diagram

of the pates and LSA following stenting so we sent in the aorta and where the dissection was and then resented the LSA so we have nice nice flow the REC lab donal angiogram basically is just demonstrating feeling of the celiac in

superior mesenteric artery as you can see in that middle image distally so one of our missions that Rudy made which is pretty awesome so illustration of fenestrated t-bar with LSA sensing and adequate just so Co following the

dissection flap that we usually there's open so BAM there you go so that's Rudy and I in the middle my one of my co-workers Kevin and when my mentor is dr. Kaja dr. Marley and myself so thank you hi dr. Kasia thanks for joining

know we're running a bit short on time so I want to briefly just touch about

some techniques with comb beam CT which are very helpful to us there are a lot of reasons why you should use comb beam CT it gives us the the most extensive anatomic understanding of vascular territories and the implications for

that with oncology are extremely valuable because of things like margin like we discussed here's an example of a patient who had a high AF P and their bloodstream which tells us that they have a cancer in her liver we can't see

it on the CT there but if you do a cone beam CT it stands up quite nicely why because you're giving levels of contrast that if you were to give them through a peripheral IV it would be toxic to the patient but when you're infusing into a

segment the body tolerates at the problem so patient preparation anxa lysis is key you have them exhale above three seconds prior to that there's a lot of change to how we're doing this people who are introducing radial access

power injection anywhere from about 50 to even sometimes thirty to a hundred percent contrast depends on what phase you're imaging we have a Animoto power injector that allows us to slide what contrast concentration we like a lot of

times people just rely on 30% and do their whole the case with that some people do a hundred percent image quality this is what it looks like when someone's breathing this is very difficult to tell if there's complete

lesion enhancement so if you do your comb beam CT know it looks like this this is trying to coach the patient and try to get them to hold still and then this is the patient after coaching which looks like this so you can tell that you

have a missing portion of the lesion and you have to treat into another segment what about when you're doing an angio and you do a cone beam CT NIT looks like this this is what insufficient counts looks like on comb beam so when you see

these sort of Shell station lines that are going all over the screen you have to raise dose usually in larger patients but this is you know you either slow down the acquisition speed of your comb beam or

you raise dose this is what it looks like after we gave it a higher dose protocol it really changes everything those lines are still there but they're much smaller how do you know if you have enhancement or a narrow artifact you can

repeat with non-contrast CT and give the patient glucagon and you can find the small very these small arteries that pick off the left that commonly profuse the stomach the right gastric artery you can use your comb beam CT to find

non-target evaluation even when your angio doesn't suggest it so this is a patient they have recurrent HCC we didn't angio from here those arteries down there where those coils were looked funny even though the patient was

quote-unquote coiled off we did a comb beam CT and that little squiggly C shape structures that duodenum that's contrast going in it this would be probably a lethal event for the patient or certainly would require surgery if you

treated that much with y9t reposition the catheter deeper towards the lesion and you can repeat your comb beam CT and see that you don't have an hands minh sometimes you have these little accessory left gastric artery this is

where we really need your help you know a lot of times everyone's focused and I think the more eyes the better for these kind of things but we're looking for these little tiny vessels that sometimes hop out of the liver and back into the

stomach or up into the esophagus there's a very very small right gastric artery in this picture here this patient post hepatectomy that rides along the inferior surface of the liver it's a little curly cube so and this is a small

esophageal branch so when you do comb beam TT this is what the stomach looks like when it enhances and this is what the esophagus looks like when it enhances you can do non contrast comb beam CTS to confirm ablation so you have

a lesion this is the comb beam CT for enhancement you treat with your embolic and this is a post to determine that you've had completely shin coverage and you can see how that correlates a response so the last thing we're going

it's obviously either done with general

anesthesia or perhaps a regional block at our institution is generally done with general anesthesia we have a really combined vascular well developed combined vascular practice we work closely with our surgeons as well as

you know those who are involved in the vascular interventional space as far as the ir docs and and in this setting they would do generally general anesthetic and a longitudinal neck incision so you've got that and the need for that to

heal ultimately dissect out the internal carotid the external carotid common carotid and get vessel loops and good control over each of those and then once you have all of that you hyper NIH's the patient systemically not unlike what we

do in the angio suite and then they make a nice longer-term longitudinal incision on the carotid you spot scissors to cut those up and they actually find that plaque you can see that plaque that's shown there it's you know actually

pretty impressive if you've seen it and let's want to show an illustrative picture there ultimately that's open that's removed you don't get the entirety of the plaque inside the vessel but they get as much as they can and

then they kind of pull and yank and that's one of the pitfalls of this procedure I think ultimately is you don't get all of it you get a lot more than you realize is they're on on angiography but you don't get all of it

and whatever is left sometimes can be sometimes worse off and then ultimately you close the wound reverse the heparin and closed closed it overall and hope that they don't have an issue with wound healing don't have an issue with a

general anesthetic and don't have a stroke in the interim while they've clamped and controlled the vessel above and below so here's a case example from our institution in the past year this is a critical asymptomatic left internal

carotid artery stenosis pretty stenotic it almost looks like it's vocally occluded you can see that doesn't look very long it's in the proximal internal carotid artery you can see actually the proximal external carotid artery which

is that kind of fat vessel anteriorly also looks stenotic and so it's going to be addressed as well and this is how they treated it this is the exposure in this particular patient big incision extractors place and you can see vessel

loops up along the internal and external carotid arteries distally along some early branches of the external carotid artery off to the side and then down below in the common core artery and ultimately you get good vessel control

you clamp before you make the incision ultimately take out a plaque that looks like this look how extensive that plaque is compared to what you saw in the CT scan so it's not it's generally much more

impressive what's inside the vessel than what you appreciate on imaging but it's the focal stenosis that's the issue so ultimately if yet if the patient was a candidate stenting then you just place a stent

across that and he stabilized this plaque that's been removed and essentially plasti to that within the stent so it doesn't allow any thrombus to break off of this plaque and embolize up to the brain that's the issue of raw

it's the flow through there becomes much more turbulent as the narrowing occurs with this blockage and it's that turbulent flow that causes clot or even a small amount of clot to lodge up distally within the intrical in

terrestrial vasculature so that's the issue here at all if you don't take all that plaque out that's fine as long as you can improve the turbulent blood flow with this stent but this is not without risk so you take that plaque out which

looks pretty bad but there are some complications right so major minor stroke in death an asset which is a trial that's frequently quoted this is really this trial that was looking at medical therapy versus carotid surgery

five point eight percent of patients had some type of stroke major minor so that's not insignificant you get all that plaque out but if you know one in twenty you get a significant stroke then that's not so bad I'm not so good right

so but even if they don't get a stroke they might get a nerve palsy they might get a hematoma they may get a wound infection or even a cardiovascular event so nothing happens in the carotid but the heart has an issue because the

blockages that we have in the carotid are happening in the legs are happening in the coronary so those patients go through a stress event the general anesthetic the surgery incision whatever and then recovery from that I actually

put some stress on the whole body overall and they may get an mi so that's always an issue as well so can we do something less invasive this is actually a listing of the trials the talk is going to be available to you guys so I'm

not going to go through each of this but this is comparing medical therapy which I started with and surgery and comparing the two options per treatment and showing that in certain symptomatic patients if they have significant

stenosis which is deemed greater than 70% you may be better off treating them with surgery or stenting than with best medical therapy and as we've gotten better and better with being more aggressive with best medical therapy

this is moving a little bit but here's the criteria for treatment and so you have that available to you but really is

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