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study I would like to share to you in personal note that my training school

books and experiences never prepared me for all the different types of cancer I have seen while working at Memorial sloan-kettering I have come to realize that cancer does not discriminate it doesn't matter how old you are

socioeconomic status gender race color of your skin and geographical location and religious beliefs and taking care of the young pediatric patients makes me the saddest if cancer hits you it hits you

the youngest patient that ever took care of is two months old infant diagnosed with glioblastoma I remember that day clearly because I booboo the whole day based on this here comes the third case study this is a four year old child

diagnosed with hepatoblastoma a pet MRI with anesthesia is done the image to your left is pet and on the right is pet MRI you see the difference in the images this scan is done for the doctor to evaluate the extent of the disease you

could see there is a hypermetabolic uptake in the liver and in the pelvic area the color red on top of the head the patient that's normal that's a normal uptake there is no increase in the uptake so this considered normal

we're gonna do our closer look and I would like to show you the difference between the PET CT and the pet MRI the image on the middle is the PET CT done on March you could see how where are the areas that are you could see all the

increased uptake on the areas like the chest the neck thoracic region and the abdominal region the the bright area there at the bottom Dustin or my bladder up take look at the image on to your right that's a close-up loop of the

sagittal PET CT done on same month you could see clear I could see where the location of the abnormal act uptake are circled by the the white circle there is abnormal uptake in the spine and in the chest and

of course where the hepato blastoma is located but looking to your left that's the bet MRI you see how the image is so clear and defined you could now count from the you could count where the exact location is it's on T 11 and is in the

vertebra and there's evidence of the actual cord compression with all you know all you know is a neuro emergency this is a four year old child and the other abnormal app takes you could see also so this child don't only have

hepatoblastoma but also have OSHA's metastases so the scan is done to evaluate the extent of the cancer the last cases study is the 41 year old

questions comments and accusations please hello this topic is very personal to me I've had it actually had a UFE so this is like one of my big things I work in the outpatient center as well as a

hospital where we perform you Effy's and frequently the radiologist will have me go in and talk to the patient it's from a personal perspective one of the issues which it may just have been from my situation was pain control post UFE

whether you normally tell your patients about pain control after the UFE someone say we are all struggling with this yeah oh it's not what's your question is going to be okay good I'm gonna get doctor Dora to answer Shawn the question

is what do you what do we do with this pain issue you know what are you doing for the home there at Emory there you know and a lot of practices we we don't rely on one magic bullet for pain control recently we've been doing

alternate procedures for two adjunctive procedures to help with pain control for example there are nerve blocks that you can do like a superior hypogastric nerve block there's there's Tylenol that can be given intravenously which is seems to

be a little more effective than by mouth there's there's a you know it and a lot of times it's it's a delicate balance right between pain post procedural pain because you can often get the pain well controlled with with narcotics opioid

with a pain pump but the problem is 12 hours later the patients is extremely nauseous and that's what keeps her in the hospital so it's a it's a balance between pain control and nausea you can you can hit the nausea

beforehand using a pain and scopolamine patch that that'll get built up in the system during the procedure and that kind of obviates the nausea issues like I said that the the nerve blocks the the tile and also there are some other

medicines that can can be used adjunctive leaf or for pain control in addition to to the to the opioids so the answer the question is there are multiple there multiple answers to the question there's not one magic bullet so

that helped it did one of the things that I tell the patients is that you know everyone is different and yet some people I've seen patients come out and they have no pain they're like perfect and then some come out and they are

writhing in the bed and they're hurting and they're rolling all around what and I always ask the acid docs are you telling them they could possibly have you know pain after the procedure because some have the expectation that

I'm going to be pain-free and that's not always the case so they have an unrealistic expectation that I'm gonna have the UFE but not have pain what I also tell them is that the pain it's kind of like an investment right and

this is easy for a guy to say that right but but it's it's an investment the worst part the worst pain you should be feeling is the first 12 12 hours or so every day I tell my patient you're gonna be getting better and better and better

with far as the pain as long as you is you follow our little cookbook of medicines that we give you on the way home and I want you to make sure that you fill these prescriptions on the way home or you have someone fill those

prescriptions for you before he or she picked you up in the hospital and lately we have been and I see that you're there as well lots of other little tricks that are out there right and again there are all

little tricks so ensure arterial lidocaine doctor there is near alluded to and if you're on si R Connect you may it may spill over on some of your chat rooms here people have been using like muscle relaxant like flexural or

robertson with some success but just know that we don't have any studies that tell us how that's supposed to do so when i have someone that is like writhing in pain i just use everything so i do it superior hypogastric nerve

vlog and i actually will do some intra-arterial lidocaine although not so much lately i have been using the muscle relaxant but i will warn you that i've had two patients with extreme anticholinergic effects where they are

now not able to pee from that so you know where we're doing that balance act I see that you're there can I take that question here first just so we're we're doing the same thing we're using the multimodal just throwing all these

things at people and we're trying the superior hypogastric blocks but we're collaborating with anesthesia to do that right now do you all do your own blocks or do you collaborate with anesthesia we do our own blocks okay it isn't it is

not that difficult I would tell you that but again it's kind of like you know you got to do if you start feeling better and then you're like we don't really need them we'll just do it on our own okay thank you again yes what's the

acceptable interval between UFE and for IBF oh that's a your question what is the interval between UFE and IVF so if you wanted to get pregnant yeah and can you have a you Fe and then have an IVF like how long would you have to wait

wait and tell you before you can have that the IBF it I guess it really depends on the age of the patient because we know that that the threshold for which patient tend to have that inability to conceive

is around 45 years old so you know it did below the you know below the age of 45 the risk of causing ovarian failure or or the inability to conceive is significantly less it's zero zero to three percent so I would say that you

know you probably want the effects of the fibroid embolization to two to take effect it takes around 12 months for these fibroids to shrink down to their most weight that they're gonna they're going to shrink down the most I wouldn't

say you need to wait 12 months to put our nine vitro fertilization there's no good there's no good literature out there I don't believe that's your next and so I would say just remember that if you came to my practice and you said you

wanted to get pregnant I will be sending you to talk to fertility specialists beforehand we do not perform embolization procedures as a way to become pregnant there's no data to support that but if you saw your

gynecologist and they said let's do this then I'm sure they'll be doing lots of adjunct things to figure out what would be an ideal time then to for you to have IVF and if I dove not having any data to inform me I would ask you to wait a year

and what will be the effect of those hormones that they gave you if for example a patient has existing fibroids what would be the effect of those hormones that IVF doctors prescribed their patients yeah so fibroids actually

can grow during pregnancy so I would say that most of those hormones are pro fertility hormones so I would expect that maybe you can see some of that effect as well yeah alright if you have any other questions you can grab me oh

you're I'm sorry go with it okay yes we we have time I don't want to keep anybody here for that so I have a two-fold question the first one is post-procedure can you use a diclofenac patch or a 12-hour pain

patch that is a an NSAID have you have any experience with that and your next question my second part of the question is there a patient profile or a psychological profile that tips you that the patient is not going to be able to

candidate because of their issues around pain so they're two separate but we have in success sending people home that first day so I'm looking to just make it better I haven't had experience with the Clos

phonetic patch it's in theory it seems ok you know these are all the these are they're all these are non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs so there are different potency levels for all of them they you know they range from very low

with with naproxen to to a little bit higher with toradol like that clover neck I think is somewhere in between so we found that at least I found that that q6 our our tour at all it tends to help a lot so with that said I I don't have

much experience with it with the patch in answer to your second question the only thing I can say is there there is a strong correlation between size of fibroids and the the amount of a post procedural pain and post embolization

syndrome so there really you know we often say we don't really care too much about the number of fibroids but the size of the fibroid is is is should be you know you should you should look at that on pre procedural imaging because

if it gets too big it may not be worth it for the patient because they may be in severe pain the more embolic you put into the blood supply's applying the the fibroid the the greater the pain post procedural pain

are there multiple other factors that would contribute to pain but that's that's one aspect you can you can look at post procedurally on imaging okay thank you very much yes ma'am hi what what kind of catheter do you use

to catheterize the fibroid artery when you pass by radio access yeah so over the last three years the companies have been really very good about that so there are a few things that I without endorsing one company or the other that

you need to make sure that the sheath that you're using is one of those radial sheets a company that makes a radio sheath you should not use a femoral sheath for radial access so no cheating where that's concern you may get away

with it once or twice but it will catch up to you and you need a catheter that is long enough to go from the radio to the to the groin so I'm looking for like a 120 or 125 centimeter kind of angled catheter whether it's hydrophilic the

whole way or just a hydrophilic tip or not at all you can you can choose which one in our practice most of us still tend to use a micro catheter through that catheter although if I'm using a for French and good glide calf and it

just flips into like a nice big juicy uterine artery then I may just go ahead and take that and do the embolization if the fellow is not scrubbed in as well so thanks a lot but they make they make many different kinds like that and more

of those are to come all right I'm you can please please please send us any other questions that you have thanks for your time and attention and enjoy the rest of the living

thrombectomy is another popular way of treating patients there's a lot of different aspiration catheters the SPX catheter is actually not available currently in the US but what it basically is I can have the rectum a

device that spins in such backlot the Indigo thrombectomy system from penumbra is a yet another device that sucks out clot I think many of us have used that it's kind of like a vacuum cleaner but usually more like a dust

hand vac where it's going to suck up thrombus the angio vac is much more like a Hoover where you're going to use and put a patient on veno-venous bypass that requires a 22 French sheath and a 17 French sheath but that will take out

thrombus I personally prefer using NGO vac in the IVC in big large thrombus for that and not in the pulmonary arteries because it's very inflexible but it's very very useful in a few patient populations in

all of these devices there is no TPA that needs to be given you're just sucking out the clot and you're actually removing it from the patient's body rather than dissolving it and sending it downstream the drawbacks on all of these

devices is their larger access points the SP or X is around six French although that's not that much bigger penumbra device is 8 French and the as we mentioned the angio vac is 22 French

Sean I know you have not seen these slides at all you wanted I John can talk about this with his eyes closed so it's

not like there's anything but this is the data that was published from the Jade publishing jvi are from what Sean has written and it's just the current standards relating to what you should be expecting what we tell our patients that

they should expect for outcomes as it relates to uterine artery embolization again I'm not really here to try to point this I know you can google these you can get the information yourself but just to say that all of our procedures

have risk and we need to be clear with our patients about them now I believe that with all of these risks combined the benefits of doing uterine fibroid embolization for most patients is far greater than the risk and that's why I

really do have my practice so these are the benefits right shorter hospital stay and I would say more cost-effective and that is really debatable because gynecologists have become smarter and smarter now they're doing like same-day

hysterectomies if you have a vaginal hysterectomy then maybe a UFE is not as cost-effective because they don't have to do an MRI beforehand and they don't get an MRI afterwards and do all of that anyway and if you look at the long-term

cost of that then maybe having a hysterectomy in some patients could be that but we know for sure that patients are more satisfied when they get a embolization procedure than in my MEC to me not in the beginning run because the

procedure can be very painful that is not the procedure itself is painful but post embolization syndrome which could last anywhere from five to seven days can can be very painful again this is the comparative data that was published

by dr. Spees who is our gold medal winner this year understand a lot a lot of work in this space has allowed us to have this conversation with our gynecology partners but also with our patients as we talked about like when

can you return to work how long are you going to be all for you know am I going to need extra child care or whatever how long would I be in the hospital this information helps us to inform our patients about that then on average

you'll stay in the hospital around you know a day or so and most uterine artery embolization procedures are same-day procedures and interventional radiologists are doing these in freestanding centers as well as other

providers without any issues so we're almost down to the end we know that fibroid embolization is proven to be an effective and durable a procedure for controlling patient symptoms it's minimally invasive and it's outpatient

most patients can go back to some normal activity in one to two weeks it has a low complication rates and some patients mein neatest to surgery and should have surgery so in our practice we send around 1/3 of our patients or so to

surgery and the reason that that is that high is that patients are allowed to come and see myself or dr. de riz Nia from the street they do not have to be referred from their gynecologist and so they're just coming from the street then

you will be referring them to a gynecologist because of some of the things that may not make them a good candidate for embolization such as this

new data of the Emmy trial that came out last year our ten-year results saying

that after ten years after ten years women who wanted to retain their uterus they looked at them in ten years three-quarters of those women were still very very satisfied and also were still able to retain their uterus so ten-year

data came out randomizing people for uterine artery embolization versus hysterectomy of the women who chose you to an artery embolization ten years later they were still very happy so I tell my patients that this is what you

should expect that you will have symptomatic improvement in 12 months around 85 to 95 percent of the patients are pretty happy there is a entry intervention rate it is not zero and it can be higher than ten

depending on what kind of Imogen is seen ahead of time and that we know that dysfunctional uterine bleed tend to do a little bit better than bulk type symptoms and that's partly because of subjective nature of that so this is one

of the patients that I treated when I was in in Virginia and Riverside and she's a former miss Brazil and she came to see us with what she also called reversed cycles like she would bleed more than she would not and she was

wearing depends and it took everything to just coach her out of the car to come inside to do a consultation because she was so afraid that if she got out she would be sitting in a pool of blood and she had an MRI showing what looked like

a eleven point seven centimeter fibroid she had embolization and that was her six month follow-up MRI to the right which looks like a very impressive result they don't all look this way which is why I save this image something

that looks like a normal uterus now I for the persons that I told to hold your high horse here is the time okay so what happens if I want to have a baby because these are the things you remember we're being ambassadors for this procedure we

need to be having the answers for the things that are our friends and family members are going to be asking us so if you want to have a baby I would say that the data that informs us as to what to do with you is still very weak but the

only randomized prospective trial that we have out there says that you should actually have myomectomy and a Cochrane review was also done and it still says that there's very low level evidence suggesting that myomectomy may be

associated with better fertility outcomes as opposed to UAE but more research is needed and we still require more research so at the very least what I have to do and now you feel compelled to do is to send my patients to see

someone who is a fertility specialist in consultation so we can make this decision together so if your poor surgical candidate if you have the gazillion fibroids and if you've had surgery before a hostile

abdomen and the patient says you know what dr. Newsome there's nothing that you can tell me ever to say that I'm going to have surgery then we're going to be doing something else that is not surgery okay the other thing that your

so who are the most ideal candidates for fibroid embolization obviously I would say the most ideal candidates are patients that are symptomatic and I've told you already that 80% of black women

have fibroids but guess what only half of those will be so symptomatic that they would need to be even treated so just because fibroids exist don't mean that they need to actually be treated already so you

to actually have symptoms most patients that are symptomatic will again wait to getting treatment for like three and a half to five years but when they come we want to make sure that they're symptomatic and that they're not trying

to become pregnant and I know somebody in the audience has a question around that already so let's hold your high horses I'm coming to that how about patients that don't want to have surgery or just don't have time to

have surgery they don't have time for long recovery if you don't care if you have your uterus or not then I'm not so sure that you need to be pursuing a uterine sparing procedure okay and I'm gonna pause here to address one other

thing that it's a myth it is a myth that if you do not need to have children then you do not need your uterus I beg to differ and when we talk to women they are quite upset about this preposition that the uterus is only there for

baby-making purposes in fact there have been several studies now that have come out to say that women that have had early hysterectomy even with their ovaries in place are predisposed to coronary artery disease or

cardiovascular events we would like patients that are poor surgical candidates because if they can have surgery then they may be able to have surgery or patients that do not desire future fertility patients that have

already concerns about hysterectomy because of religious reasons or don't want to have hormonal therapy and I actually like patients that have have a have obesity because if we are able to do this procedure then they're spared

more complications related to surgery so the ideal patient then and this is a very important point said all three criteria would need to be fit that if you're a patient in order to be offered embolization number one

you have to have fibroids believe it or not you have to have symptoms that are related to fibroids and then you have to have some MRI that says that the location of where your fiber it is is causing that symptom and that these

fibroids are vascular let me explain okay and I'm going to skip this so I've been working with people for a long enough time and I've work of Julie for years I've worked with Diane and Anna and some other people for like ten years

and imagine if you're working with me for ten years you know that you're probably going to be able to do this procedure too like you're scrubbing right next to me eventually like you pick these things up what I get paid for

is not to do that and for the experienced nurses and techs that are in the room you know exactly what I'm talking about you're better than the doctors half of the time you really could do this procedure but what I get

paid for is to decide who does not even get to come on the table to get this procedure done so pay attention to this slide and these this criteria is being challenged every day and we're getting more and more data to say that this is

old information that we used to say if the uterus was like more than six months then you probably shouldn't have a uterine sparing procedure but we know that we do in embolization all the time in patients that have large fibroids

anyway but there's no data to actually give us that information most of the trials that we have and we have had a lot of them they have excluded patients where their individual fibroids were greater than 12 centimeters if you have

had an indeterminate and de metrio biopsy or you're having abnormal pap smear doing a uterine sparing procedure makes no sense so we use these imaging to really help us to determine which patients really

deserve to be treated so everybody can see that that image on the Left where it says submucosal refers to and I'm gonna try and come down so I can see these images here and you can see that there is a fibroid that is in

truck hava teri do you see that that round thing that is surrounded by the white fluid that is someone that has what we would call a type zero fibroid completely within the unit of course this is going to cause bleeding but

should this person have a uterine artery embolization or a hysterectomy Gail no this patient should have like hysteroscopic resection like a D&C and they would just scrape that thing out and then their symptoms would go away or

the patient on the right that has a normal appearing uterus and then this pedunculated gigantic thing that has bled into itself that is like a sub serosa fibroid of the extreme just hanging off on the outside now should

this patient have embolization no someone can tie a string right at that little connection and take that thing out so using our imaging to help us to decide which patients should be treated is very important or this patient who

came with Oh dr. Newsome I've been bleeding for 10 weeks in a row I have reversed cycles I have bulk I have bladder symptoms and yet they have that little dot that little black thing there that little dot

at the top that is the only place where there's a fibroid so this patient should not be a candidate for embolization either because yes they have symptoms and they have that little tiny daughter for fibra but that is not what's causing

those symptoms so it is important that we're not doing procedures on patients just because we can but because we're using our imaging and the patient's symptom to decide which patients are the best candidates for these procedures

patients may be asking you is like what about adenomyosis and I've been hearing something about that which is not exactly fibroids right it's a different entity though the symptoms could be kind of the same and for the years and years

and years we wouldn't have any options for patients who had adenomyosis in fact the only option for patients with adenomyosis is surgery but adenomyosis can coexist with fibroids and sometimes patient presents with adenomyosis alone

so we've had some studies now that have looked at that and although the data is not as robust and not as awesome as for patients with fibroids we do provide a performing bolas Asian for those patients with particles that are little

smaller than what we would use for fibroids with results as you're seen there before now the only other new thing that's on the market and it's not so new to you guys that are probably doing radial in femorals anyway working

in cardiac labs and IR labs it's actually what we call the trophy if you go back one slide for me mr. a the person and press play then we will be able to see that radial access I do not work for Merritt they don't give me a

dime I just thought that this was a good video is there volume on that at all if not I can just talk about it and really what it says is that if you need to a radial UFE or have radial axis for a uterine embolization patients just love

it more they and especially like patients that are already just intimidated they don't want you going near their groins at all they actually could just lay on the table we don't have to put up we don't put a Foley in

they just get a radial access the same way that you would just be starting in a line except we have special types of radial catheters and and sheaves to do that and I don't offer a radial access to

patients who are too tall for our catheters or if they've had multiple prior radial access and don't have an intact ulnar artery to complete their hand but it's much like any of that femoral access that you would normally

see they make special hydrophilic sheaths now they're called from this particular company slender technology where the inner diameter of the sheath essentially the sheath is the same like five French on the outside but they have

cored out the inside so it's a bigger diameter so it's a five six so on the outside it's a five but it will take a six French in the inner inner lumen and you know my practice we do more than 80% of all our arterial punctures with a

radial access and everybody here comes dr. Sean Deroche Nia who is the leading author of that paper for SI R and one of my esteemed partners so most patients are able to get up and walk out if you are go from a radial access the access

is actually closed with just a radial band and the complications of having a hematoma or having the patient's bleed out those just all go away but radial axis have their own complications so I'm not here to say that it is not that but

in our practice we found it to be safe and effective our patients want it and it's become like a practice differentiator so if you're working in a practice that don't do radial you EFI's right now you should mention it because

if you're in a population where the other providers are only doing femoral then you will automatically get the patients that only want that so here's a patient that had a radial access you can see a catheter that is coming from the

aorta while you can't see that it's not up and over the bifurcation but maybe you do can see that and there's a catheter in the uterine artery with the characteristic

shape of the uterine artery and the characteristic curlicue vessels of of the fibroid and on the left you can see the Imogen for beforehand and the Imogen on the right of post embolization where there is stagnant flow in the main

uterine not main uterine artery in the horizontal portion of the uterine artery for greater than five cardiac beads and again there's there's no reason that you have to know that level of detail except that you're scrubbing in but if you're

in the audience you're looking at this you're like dr. Newsome I see an air bubble there as well then I'd say good because because I do see it too so you can see the preimage and you can see the post image for pre and post embolization

these these procedures can be quick these procedures are very very rewarding and and I love to do it

are in the room here's a case of an 80

year old with a previous mi had a left hand are directing me and it's gonna go for a coronary bypass graft but they want this carotid stenting significant card accenting lesion to be treated first there's the non-invasive blow

through this but there's the lesion had a prior carotid endarterectomy so had that surgery we talked about first but at the proximal and distal ends of that patch has now a stone osis from the surgical fix that's developed so we

don't want to go back in surgically that's a high resolution we want for a transfer Merle approach and from there here's what it looks like an geographically mimics what we saw on the CT scan you can see the the marker and

the external carotid artery on the right that's the distal balloon and then proximally in the common carotid artery and they're noted there and then when you inflate the balloons you can see them inflated in the second image in the

non DSA image that's the external carotid room carotid artery balloon that's very proximal the common carotid balloon is below or obscured by the shoulders and ultimately when you inflate the common carotid balloon you

just have stagnant blood flow then we treat them you can see both balloons now and the external carotid and common carotid in place we have our angioplasty balloon across the lesion and then ultimately a stent and this is what it

looked like before this is what it looks like after and tolerated this quite well and we never had risk of putting the patient for dis Lombok protection or to salamba lusts overall I'm not gonna go over this real

that was one example so these are there have a lot of potential complications reperfusion pulmonary edema is a very very big potential complication so you could get through the case patient does

great you open up multiple pulmonary arteries and then they start coughing up blood and then they end up started drowning in their own blood and the ICU so we do not want to push that and the initial papers that you can see down

below on that table they had a very high almost 10% in some cases pulmonary edema requiring treatment requiring patients being put on CPAP or being intubated and that is because they treated too much at one time

and so now as this when this first started in the early 2000s the operators were treating multiple segments at multiple times at one time and they were using large balloons and we figured out that that was what was killing patients

and so we changed our treatment so this is the first study that was ever performed for this it was performed by dr. Feinstein I believe this was published in circulation it was done in Harvard at MGH they had 18 patients with

36 month follow-up they all improved in their ability to walk as well as their lifestyle but many of them 11 out of 18 patients had reperfusion injury so this was the first paper and at that time it became the last paper because so many

patients did poorly but here's what they're sort of what they did and the ones that did okay they you could see that they had an improvement in the New York Heart Association classification again that just means they can walk

further they're not less short of breath and that they could walk further in 6 minutes which is again our sort of first test outcomes over time whence this has become increased so you can see that study was in 2001 and then

it kind of went away for a long time and it came back in 2012 in Japan where the most operators are there they've treated up to 255 procedures now since this slide was made we're up to a thousand in Japan and those patients are doing very

well but you'll notice that they have multiple procedures so again you don't try to one-and-done these patients they come back four to six times we've treated a couple patients where I work and we've treated that was patients four

times already and so they do much better but it's a slow slow and steady treatment so I want to wrap up with saying that the IR team is very critical to patients who are getting treated for PE we're involved in the diagnosis as

the radiology team acute and chronic PE it's very important to know as I've shown you in some of the examples and some of the images which when it's acute and versus chronic doing thrombolysis on a patient with chronic PE is useless all

you're doing is putting them at a risk you're not going to be able to break up that clot it's very important to have inter and multidisciplinary approach to patient care so interdisciplinary meaning everybody in this room nurses

technologists and physicians working together to take care of that patient that's on your table right now and multi-disciplinary because you have to work with cardiology vascular medicine the ICU teams and the

referring providers whether it's neurosurgery vascular surgery whomever it is who's Evers patient gets a PE you have to work together and it's very important again to have collaborative care in these patients if we're doing a

procedure and somebody notices that the patient is desaturating that's very very important when you're working in the pulmonary arteries if somebody notices that the patient's groin is bleeding you have to speak up so it's very important

that everybody is working together which is really what we need to do for these patients so there's my references and there's my kid so thank you guys very much hopefully this was helpful I'd be

in the audience here I'm actually trying to engage you and recruit you as ambassadors even if you are not a woman you have a mom you have a wife you have

a sister I am My Sister's Keeper and I will ask you to be the same a lot of women are just embarrassed about this they don't even know if it's normal or not and if you're a black girl and 80%

of black women have this problem you kind of start thinking it's normal and you don't start thinking it's so abnormal until you run into another demographic or you casually mention it to your gynecologist and they tell you

that none of these symptoms are normal if you don't own a pair of black of white pants or white dress that is also not normal so I don't single my patients out as much I just have them look you're not alone these are some more prominent

black women that suffered publicly from uterine fibroids probably the most noted is Condoleezza Rice who had uterine fibroid embolization performed by dr. Spees and went on to talk about it but so did some lanta housewives who had

their fibroid embolization done on TV by dr. Lipman there's some other things that we do know about it that it doesn't matter if you're like a black girl in the US or in in Africa or in Jamaica like we do know that fibroids have

something to do with fat because estrogen is stored in fat but it really doesn't seem to follow much about where you live we actually know a few other things that plant-based diet if you eat a plant-based diet then your symptoms

tend to be a little less but it doesn't really protect you from having a fibroid so on this slide we have basketball players models politicians people that exercise feverishly and people who don't exercise at all this slide again is to

remind me to say that this is probably the only thing I think every fibroid has in common with Donald Trump and it's all about location location location because it's all about the real estate that you take up in the uterus

that's how it tells us what kind of symptoms you will have so if we recap there are three layers of the uterus and fibroids are actually from the muscle portion of the uterus but the symptom that you end up with depends on where

the fibroids end up so if you have a fibroid and I'm hoping there's a pointer somewhere and there isn't but if you have a fibroid that kind of pooches in towards the inner lining of the uterus we refer to that as a sub mucosal

fibroid it touches that mucosal surface and if you have a fibroid that is totally within the muscle it doesn't seem to push in or out that is considered an intramural fibroid it just makes the whole thing go big but it

doesn't have a propensity for one side or the other or a sub serosa fibroid is a fibroid that pushes out towards the outside it's touching that saran wrap layer of the uterus and we refer to that as a sub serosa fibroid and these are

just like really cheap way of figuring it out now there are other classifications we call the FICO classifications that is subdivided but no need to know all of that but the symptoms follow these where these

fibroids live so it's easy to see that like what kind of fibroid would this be a sub serosa fibroid is practically like it is hanging off there's a normal uterus with fallopian tubes on the side the suspensory ligaments and then here

is that fibroid that is like just hanging out on the outside and that's the kind of fiber that can cause constipation diarrhea bowel symptoms if that fibroid was touching the bladder then that's a fibroid that would cause

urinary symptoms that is a sub serosa fibroid so now we've talked about the

now that you all have an overview and a refresher of nursing school and how these medications work in our body I want to now go over our practice

guidelines and the considerations that we take into place so as you know I'm not going to go over into detail the patient populations that are prescribed these meds but kind of knowing that these are the

patients that we see in our practice that for example are on your direct direct vector 10a inhibitors patients with afib or artificial valves or patients with a clock er sorry a factor v clotting disorder these oral direct

thrombin inhibitors patients with coronary artery thrombosis or patients who are at risk for hit in even patients with percutaneous coronary intervention or even for prophylaxis purposes your p2 y12 inhibitors or your platelet

inhibitors are your cabbage patients or your patients with coronary artery disease or if your patients have had a TI AR and mi continued your Cox inhibitors rheumatoid arthritis patients osteoarthritis vitamin K antagonists a

fib heart failure patients who have had heart failure mechanical valves placed pulmonary embolism or DVT patients and then your angiogenesis inhibitors kind of like Kerry said these are newer to our practice these are things that we

had just recently really kind of get caught up with these cancer agents because there really aren't any monitoring factors for these and there is not a lot of established literature out there knowing that granted caring I

did our literature review almost two years ago now so 18 months ago there is a lot more literature and obviously we learned things this morning so our guidelines are reviewed on a by yearly basis so we will be reviewing these too

so there is more literature out there for these thank goodness so now we want to kind of go into two hold or not to hold these medications so knowing that we have these guidelines and we'll be sharing you with you the tables that

tell us hold for five days for example hold for seven days some of these medications depending on why the patient is taking them are not safe to hold so some of the articles that we reviewed showed that for sure there's absolutely

an identified risk with holding aspirin for example a case study found that a patient was taking aspirin for coronary artery disease and had an MI that was associated with holding aspirin for a

radiology procedure they found that this happened in 2% of patients so 11 of 475 patients that sounds small number but in our practice we do about 400 procedures in a week so that would be 11 patients in one week that would have had possibly

an adverse reaction to holding their aspirin and then your Cox inhibitors or your NSAIDs as Carrie already mentioned it's just really important to know that some of those the Cox inhibitors have no platelet effects and then your NSAIDs

can be helped because their platelet function is normalized within 24 to 48 hours Worf Roman coumadin so depending on the procedure type and we'll go into that to here where we have low risk versus moderate to high risk

we do recommend occasionally holding warfarin however we need to verify why the patient is absolutely on their warfarin and if bridging is an option because as you learn bridging is not always on the most appropriate thing for

your patient so when patients on warfarin and they do not have any lab values available that's when you really need to step outside of guidelines and talk with your radiologists your procedure list and potentially have a

physician to physician discussion to determine what's best for a particular patient this just kind of goes into your adp inhibitors and plavix a few of the studies that we showed 50 are sorry 63 patients who took Plex within five days

of their putt biopsy they found that there was of those one bleeding complication during a lung biopsy so minimal so that's kind of why we have created our guidelines the way we did and here's just more information

regarding your direct thrombin inhibitors as cari alluded to products is something that we see very commonly in our practice and then your direct vector 10a inhibitors this is what we found in the literature

I'm Nikki Jensen Nicole is what my mother calls me but that's alright thank you all for joining us today I am the clinical resource nas I work in a clinical nurse specialist position I graduated in May so I'll finally be called the clinical nurse specialist

after I passed my boards in nonvascular radiology so at Mayo Clinic Rochester we are kind of split up between I are in our IR practice where we have non vascular procedural Center CT MRI ultrasound guided procedures we'll go

over a list of our standard perform procedures as well as our neuro interventional and vascular interventional practice so Kerri and I work in the non vascular so we do not do any neuro interventional or vascular

vascular interventional procedures so these guidelines are going to focus on your LR CT or ultrasound guided procedures how many of you went to the combined session this morning great this is going to be an overview because what

we saw presented there really reiterates what we are have brought into our practice but then we're also going to share how we created nursing guidelines and how we rolled that into our practice this is Carrie Carrie is a staff nurse

in our department I worked as a staff nurse for seven years prior to this position I've been in this position now for four years and really enjoy it I do want to give a little shout-out to Carrie and I presented or sorry we

published an article in the June 28th volume 37 issue - that really coincides with our presentation today so I would encourage you to read that publication and then you'll get additional information on how we did this yes all

right we have nothing to disclose unfortunately or fortunately right so the purpose of this presentation is to help you all understand the importance of creating reviewing the literature

understanding your for one your coagulation casket as well cascade as well as anticoagulants that are out there or new up-and-coming medications and understanding that yes it's very important to establish and create these

guidelines so that within your practice you don't have differing radiologists that have differing opinions if you're working with doctor so-and-so today you need to worry about these labs if you're working with you know dr. Johnson

tomorrow he doesn't care about the labs we did this to help standardize that to help reduce the amount of questions our nurses have how many times we're interrupting our radiologists but then also we need to take into consideration

the importance of the patients and their different disease processes and we'll be going over that too so it's nice to have established guidelines but then also we need to take into consideration why patients are on certain medications this

here is our list of objectives I'm not going to read them for you you can all read them and we've provided you all with handouts too but really we want to just help kind of explain mechanism of actions and different medications and

how we established our guidelines this here is where Kari and I come from full disclosure we do have snow on the ground so these pictures were not taken before we came we are really enjoying this nice warm weather but for those of you who

are not familiar with the history of Mayo Clinic in Rochester who we have a hundred and fifty plus year tradition of implementing evidence-based care to assure the needs of our patient come first we are divided up into one

downtown campus but we have three different main areas so we have our st. Mary's Hospital this is where Kerry is based out of this is this houses most all of our ICUs as well as most all of our inpatients so we do a lot of

inpatients but we also see outpatients in this hospital Rochester Methodist Hospital this is where our he mock patients typically are we do have one ICU within Hospital as well but then right here my

office is right there this is our Mayo downtown campus so this is where most of our patients come for outside procedures or outpatient diagnostic imaging exams this here is the group that I'm part of the clinical nursing specialist group

within our clinical nursing specialist group there are 77 of us there are five like myself clinical resources as we have not graduated as of yet I'm right there in the middle w

that work in over 70 ambulatory areas in 58 inpatient areas we also support some areas in our Arizona and Florida campuses and then we have Mayo Clinic Health System hospitals that are scattered throughout Iowa

Wisconsin in Minnesota as well I am the only one in radiology across all of our

happy to take any questions or in

ultrasound we don't usually use contrast but one of the procedures were doing for the treatment management of a pulmonary embolism is the ultrasound assisted Rumble Isis do we need contrast so for the thrombolysis is the catheter itself

so you still need to give contrast two to do the procedure but while the catheter is running you don't need to give any contrast four for that is that what you're we don't usually use contrast for ultrasound but

all right when you're treating how will you know that it sliced the clot is less what you frequently do is check the pressures so that catheter allows you to check the pressure and so once you start a patient so you do a pulmonary

angiogram which requires contrast and you put the ultrasound assisted thrombolysis catheter in the eCos catheter then after 24 hours or 12 hours you can measure a pressure directly through that catheter and if the

patient's pressure is reduced you don't have to give them anymore injections yeah and if we are using ultrasound for treatment is it possible to do it for diagnostic purposes No so not for non the prominent artists for

diagnostic imaging unless you're doing an echocardiogram which is technically ultrasound in the heart but for treatment otherwise you need you will need to inject some dye oh thank you

hi I'm Katrina I'm NGH I have one more question okay for your patients with chronic PE do most of them begin with acute PE or if they very separate sort of presentations that's that's a great question so all of them

had acute PE because you can't have chronic without acute but a lot of them are not ever caught so you'll have these patients who had PE that was silent that maybe one day they woke up and had a little bit of chest pain and then it

went away couple days later they thought they had a bronchitis or a cold and then you find out five years later that they had a huge PE that didn't affect them so badly and then they have these chronic findings they usually show up to their

family practice doctor again with hey I just can't walk as far as I can I have a little heaviness they rule them out from a heart attack but it turns out that they have CTF so you you all of them had a Q PE but it takes a lot of time and

effort to find out whether they truly have chronic PE so it's usually in a delayed fashion thank you all right well thank you guys again appreciate it [Applause]

year old patient diagnosed with

glioblastoma lesion is located on the left frontal lobe this is done after radiation and surgery the image to your left is just a regular MRI with contrast gadolinium is the one used this time we always be the drum in the context of

choice is gadolinium in our institution you could notice the big size of the glioblastoma lesion onto the left frontal lobe of the patient as indicated in the round ring patient went for treat radiation and surgery look at the two

images to your right the one in the middle is done Pet MRI without the contrast take a note on the area where the lesion was before there is normal uptake but you don't notice any abnormal uptake and on to your right is post

treatment MRI is that those two are done the same day and with gadolinium the deletion the area where the the ring it is enhanced by the contrast but look at it there is no hypermetabolic uptake that means that the lesion is not viable

so the malignancy is not viable this time this scan is done to evaluate the effectiveness of the treatment it's a good sign before I go to the third case

improvement so this is an example that we've treated at Michigan us a 67 year old female patient who has CTF she's gone through sort of a treatment she

turned down so she was not a good candidate for surgery because her disease is distally it's in the sub segmental branches so we went back and forth for you actually on this patient when we're

starting our program and decided that she would be the right patient to start she followed instructions she was her disease was severe enough that I was affecting her life she couldn't walk from here to the back of the room she

was on medication she didn't qualify for the surgery so we said she'd be the right wand and so we started with a pulmonary angiogram you can see there's disease it's not the worst patient that you would see because those would be

surgical but well you see those arrow heads there's areas of webs there's areas of occlusions and stenosis so she's got all the different types of pathology morphology would be great for treatment so what we did as we do in all

these cases get a wire across it if we can wreak analyze it we get a wire we never use hydrophilic wires that's actually contraindicated in these so you never use like a glide wire an O and a glide wire you never use a v 18 or any

of those types of wires because those have a higher risk of perforation frequently we actually use coronary wires from the inner from our colleagues in interventional cardiology you cross the lesion and then you balloon it with

a very very very small balloon so you do not want to get aggressive in these patients we start with a two millimeter balloon even if the vessel should be four or five millimeters we always start with the two millimeter balloon and you

can bring them back and do another intervention in a few months at without a larger sized balloon so in this patient we ballooned two branches in the right lower lobe and then this is what it looks like afterwards so you have

improved flow it doesn't look perfect we're not going for perfect we're going for profusion so if you think about that same thing with acute PE you're not going for a perfect image you just want to get perfusion distally and then the

body will figure it out afterwards so

establishing a few things I know that we may have a mixed crowd here and so if I'm saying things that you're like oh come on Newsome we already know that

just just rush me along but if I'm if I'm repeating some other things that that are more interesting then you can slow me down so it is no surprise and I'm often frightened when people say that fibroids

are along the spectrum of cancer fibroids are non-cancerous tumors of the uterine muscle if you remember a little thing about Anatomy that the uterus is made of three specific layers the myometrium which is the main muscle of

the uterus the endometrium wishes the inside part of the uterus and the serosa wishes like a saran wrap of sorts that keeps the whole thing together fibroids are made of the main muscle portion of the uterus and we don't know what it is

but something happens and it turns that muscle portion of the uterus on and when it over grows it grows into a ball and we refer to that ball as a fibroid fibroids are the most common pelvic tumors in women it is the leading cause

of hysterectomy in the US and even though we've been doing hysterectomies forever one third of all hysterectomies that are done in the United States are done for benign disease and we know all kinds of sexy ways now to stop bleeding

you freeze it you make it cold you make it hot we have Lube cautery and all kinds of things and still in 2019 we can't stop the bleeding from fibroids which then result in women who are scheduled for

myomectomy to have a hysterectomy as a way of controlling the bleeding so there are a few other things that we know about fibroids we know that the symptoms are very varied depending on where these fibroids actually end up and

the symptoms of heavy bleeding still remains the most common symptom dysfunctional uterine bleeding abnormal heavy menstrual pain menstrual cycles pelvic pain and symptoms of bulk that is I cannot drink a can of coke before I've

got to go to the bathroom I know every rest stop between my house and where I've got to be every time I laugh or sneeze I pee on myself I'm doing 200 sit-ups a day and I'm wearing two Spanx if that is happening to you that's not

normal we also know that fibroids have a high impact on the quality of our patients lives and their productivity because if you can't go to work and you take off from work and you're really not able to

take your kids to the soccer game or do all the other things that you really want to do then I think that that is really quite disruptive of your life and yet women year after year suffer from these types of symptoms and do not come

to getting any type of treatment at all in fact they don't even tell their doctors about it because they just accept that as kind of normal and the average time from when women start suffering from these symptoms to when

they actually seek treatment is around three and a half years and I work in Atlanta and the average time is away above that and I would say to you that just go with me here and I'm sorry for any male that is in the audience that

will be offended but if you could imagine now now just use my own husband for example if he could not have an erection for two weeks in a row I think he would see the doctor immediately however women will wait for five years

with all kinds of symptoms and not actually seek any treatment forget an erection if they're constipated for two weeks in a row they go to see the doctor this is a real public health burden and I know that I talked about the survey in

2013 and where si are is doing a big thing called a fibroid fix it's available on the website we'll see if there's a way that we could link it to the avir website but just last year they repeated this survey of around a

thousand women but guess what these statistics had not changed around a third of the women continued to complain of this interruption in the quality of their life due to fatigue or cramping and three-quarters of these women still

prefer a minimally invasive uterine sparing procedure they still want to preserve their uterus even if fertility is not an issue and although I just told you that like 80% of black women will have fibroids by the time they're 50 and

70% of white women there's around a quarter of all women that have never ever ever even heard the term fibroids for a disease that is so common and this affects so much whim so many women and it is still so costly in terms of how

much days they have to take off from work and what they have to do in order to get treated we spend around thirty four billion dollars a year in the u.s. that is on par for the amount that we spend for colon cancer and ovarian

cancer combined for benign disease and yet not much has been done so if you're

so one of my favorite age-old questions is okay so how do you know that I don't have a cancer and I don't know because cancers can exist were there fibroids and we know a few years ago there was a black box warning put out for a more

salacious device which is how most UI ends remove large fibroids and that was due to the fact that if you go it looks like a blender of source like a handheld blender and it just kind of blends up big fibroids so that they can move it

out in chunks but if a fiber but if a fibroid existed in the uterus where there was an indolent cancer and you blend that whole thing up then you've just made everything a little bit blood-borne then something that was not

meant to be an aggressive disease process is now accelerated to an aggressive process and now those patients who had worse outcomes and that's why the device is still having a black box warning and is off the market

but it has really not that much to do with fibroids becoming cancer it's just that they both can exist in the uterus and if you are doing a uterine sparing procedure you could be missing a cancer having an MRI beforehand helps us out

just a little bit and we have discovered many cancers of patients that are asymptomatic in that way and they look kinda like this so when you look at these two and I'm telling you that the person on the left

those dark round things that that's a fibroid then you could probably see the thing on the right and say well that doesn't look quite like the thing on the left one looks like it could be a fibroid one maybe not so much so this is

a patient that came to see me in clinic and she had bulk symptoms she brave though she had bleeding symptoms she decided she was going to have a pair of white pants and she worried that day two clinic

but you can see where and I'm not able to point this out so I'm hoping that you can really do see that where she has her navel which is a dot that little crease on the MRI and then her uterus is above her navel and II and you can see that on

her and when I touched her abdomen I could tell that this was no fibroid at all so we had her image and done on the right hand side and it too looked very abnormal and so she went on to have a hysterectomy this was a cancer again

two other images that really talking about how MRI although it helps us to tell whether the fibers of vascular or not that it can also help us to find other things such as this person that has an endometrial cancer also very

aggressive cancer and they presented the exact same way abnormal bleeding and painful bleeding with clots so blood bulk symptoms with bleeding MRI not so much this is a cancer all right so what do I tell my patients when I see them

and they say dr. Newsome could I have a cancer I tell them what the FDA says the FDA says that there's a one in 350 chance that's what's on their website that you have a cancer and you have a fibroid at the same time but that's

really really high the American College of obstetrics and gynecology actually put out a position statement and revised that and they said that's way too high and they said it was somewhere between one and five hundred and the SI are with

dr. Spees looked at that number and said well we didn't think that it was that high either it's somewhere one in 750 or 800 so sadly I'm into big numbers so I just round it up I tell patients that's like a one in a thousand chance that you

can have a fibroid there and I'm gonna get an MRI and I'm gonna see if there is any chance if anything looks suspicious and the good thing is that I'm gonna keep seeing you for a year in a year after so that if I've missed something

then we're gonna be able to see it I said before that I'm super proud that I'm from Emory I'm from the home of dr. Chandra schnell who I had told to come and help me to give this talk but because I was running behind I hope he

doesn't feel compelled to come but we have put out our criteria and standards of practice for years that helps to inform us this is not something that is oh so new this is something that has level

evidence to support one of the the procedures that we do and this is very unusual for the things that we do in NIR where we have level 1 or level A's evidence that says that and because of the work that the society has done and

no doubt some of the people that are in this room I know for sure Julie was involved because we were doing these when I was in Alexandria the the trials to answer this question the American College of obstetrics and gynecology had

to adopt this as a part of their position statement to say that based on the long and short term outcomes uterine artery embolization is proven to be safe and effective option for appropriate patients in selected women who would

like to retain their uterus and that is still there a position statement today although I'm aware that they're revising it they're revising it because of the

PE the first one of course is

anticoagulation so heparin and bridging the patient to coumadin or now aid a direct oral anticoagulant is really the mainstay of treatment most patients again 55 percent of patients with PE have low risk PE all of those patients

should be on according to the chest guidelines three months of anticoagulation so they're gonna get heparin as an inpatient if they even need it and they're gonna get sent home on lovenox bridge to coumadin or they're

gonna get the one of the new drugs like Xarelto or Eliquis but here's all the other things that we do so these patients that are in the intermediate high risk so I'm gonna try to keep saying those terms to try to kind of put

that in everyone's brain because I think the massive and sub massive PE is what everyone used to talk about but we want to keep up with our colleagues in cardiology who are using the correct terminology we're gonna say high risk

and an intermediate but in those patients - intermediate high risk or Matt or the high risk PE patients we're gonna be treating them with systemic thrombolysis catheter directed thrombolysis ultrasound assisted

thrombolysis and maybe some real lytic and elected me or thrombectomy there's other techniques that we can use for one-time removal of clot like rotational and electa me suction thrombus fragmentation and then of course

surgical mblaq t'me so when anticoagulation is not enough so I like to show this slide because it shows the difference between anticoagulation and thrombolysis they are very different and sometimes I think everybody in this room

understands the difference but I think our referring providers don't and so when we when we get consulted and we recommend anticoagulation they're like yeah TPA well that's not the right thing so anticoagulation stops the clotting

process so when you start a patient on a heparin drip they should theoretically no longer before new thrombus on that thrombus so when you have thrombus in a vessel you get a cannon you get a snowball effect more

and more thrombus is gonna want to form heparin stops that TPA however for thrombolysis actually reverses the clouding process so that tissue plasminogen activator or streptokinase or uro kindness will actually dissolve

clot so there you're stopping new clot forming versus actually dissolving clot anticoagulation allows for natural thrombolysis so your body has its own TPA and so when you put a patient on heparin you're allowing your natural

body defenses to work you're giving it more time TPA accelerates that process so you give TPA either systemically or through a catheter you're really speeding up that process anticoagulation on its own has a

lower bleeding risk you're putting a patient on heparin or Combe it in it's it is less but it is still real thrombolysis however is a very very high bleeding risk patients when I when I consult a patient for thrombolysis I

tell them that we are about to do give them the absolute strongest blood clot thinning agent or an reversal agent which is the TPA and we're gonna just run it through your veins for hours and hours

um and that sort of gives them an idea of what we're doing anticoagulation in and of itself is really not invasive you just give it through an IV or even a pill thrombolysis however is given definitely through an IV through

systemic means and a large volume there thereafter or catheter directed so again

access reowww lytic thrombectomy or the angio jet device which is the most frequently used device for this what it does is basic disrupts the clot by shooting out TPA

embeds it into the clot and then you suck it up using suction thrombectomy using the venturi effect and you aspirate some of the clot and you can see that here that's a picture from I think the angio jet website the benefit

is that it can be you can use it without TPA and just use the suction thrombectomy mode with heparinized saline and that can be helpful to help break up some clot the drawbacks is that it has a black box warning from the FDA

so we do this every once in a while in the right patient but this is definitely not recommended by the company or anyone for that matter but it does work in some cases and the main reason is that the the vibrations caused by the device can

cause significant bradycardia in addition to the bradycardia that you get from red blood cell really lysis that you get with these devices so you actually couldn't cause arrhythmia on top of bradycardia which sounds like a

bad a bad combination and these patients can get hemodynamic collapse and die right on the table just cuz you turned on the device so that being said we've all I think done it once or twice I've seen I've only done it once and I never

do it again because a patient coded one of my colleagues did it on a patient because the patient was already coding said well what's the harm and that patient survived they did better actually because we were able to break

up the clot so I will say that if you do it and the patient doesn't do well you really don't have a leg to stand on because right on the cover of the packaging it says do not use in the pulmonary arteries aspiration

talk here with something that's new on the horizon believe it or not it was actually on the horizon 20 years ago and then it went away because there were a lot of patients that were treated with a

lot of complications and it's making a resurgence and this is balloon pulmonary angioplasty or BPA for short so this is an intervention which may be feasible in non-operative candidates so I mentioned to the Jamison classification earlier

type 1 and type 2 disease should be treated with surgery again it should be treated is curative but patients with type 2 and a half or 3 disease can be treated with balloon pulmonary angioplasty in the right in the right

frame which means that a surgeon has said I cannot operate on this a medical doctor has said boy they're not going to get better with their medicine let's try something else well this is that something else and that's what involves

everyone in this room so this is these are usually staged interventions with potentially high radiation and contrast dose if you think about it it's like Venis recan and a pulmonary AVM all-in-one so it's a potentially a long

complex procedure with a lot of contrast and a lot of radiation but it can provide a lot of benefit to these patients I'm going to talk about the comp potential complications at the end which is one reason why not

everyone should do these all the time so this is a pulmonary angiogram from the literature when you're injecting a selective pulmonary artery you can see that this patient has multiple stenosis there's no real good flow there the

vessels look shriveled up like I mentioned to you before you can get a balloon across it and balloon the areas and then you can see afterwards so the image a on the left is before an image D is afterwards believe it or not this are

in the most experienced hands because the most experienced hands are for palm the BP AR in Japan they do hundreds of cases of these a year at each hospital I've personally only done five so but this is a something that I'm very

interested in and you can see how how much benefit it has for that patient another way you can see these are the webs and the bands that I mentioned to you earlier so what's interesting is that if you look on the first set of

images on the top and the images on the bottom those are the same patients it's the same view before top rows before and the bottom rows after balloon pulmonary angioplasty so the first image is a pulmonary angiogram where if you kind of

see this there's there's some area areas of haziness those are the webs and bands the image on the the middle is the blown-up views and you can see those areas and then the image on the right is intravascular ultrasound which I use

every day in my practice it's a catheter with an ultrasound on it and when you look at it on the top image image see you can see a lot of thrombus you're actually not seeing flow and on image F on the bottom you're seeing red which is

the blood flow so these patients can actually improve the luminal diameter bye-bye ballooning them you can treat occlusions again image on the left shows you a pulmonary artery with a basically an occlusion proximally and then after

you reek analyze it and balloon it you can see that they can get much more

it's obviously either done with general

anesthesia or perhaps a regional block at our institution is generally done with general anesthesia we have a really combined vascular well developed combined vascular practice we work closely with our surgeons as well as

you know those who are involved in the vascular interventional space as far as the ir docs and and in this setting they would do generally general anesthetic and a longitudinal neck incision so you've got that and the need for that to

heal ultimately dissect out the internal carotid the external carotid common carotid and get vessel loops and good control over each of those and then once you have all of that you hyper NIH's the patient systemically not unlike what we

do in the angio suite and then they make a nice longer-term longitudinal incision on the carotid you spot scissors to cut those up and they actually find that plaque you can see that plaque that's shown there it's you know actually

pretty impressive if you've seen it and let's want to show an illustrative picture there ultimately that's open that's removed you don't get the entirety of the plaque inside the vessel but they get as much as they can and

then they kind of pull and yank and that's one of the pitfalls of this procedure I think ultimately is you don't get all of it you get a lot more than you realize is they're on on angiography but you don't get all of it

and whatever is left sometimes can be sometimes worse off and then ultimately you close the wound reverse the heparin and closed closed it overall and hope that they don't have an issue with wound healing don't have an issue with a

general anesthetic and don't have a stroke in the interim while they've clamped and controlled the vessel above and below so here's a case example from our institution in the past year this is a critical asymptomatic left internal

carotid artery stenosis pretty stenotic it almost looks like it's vocally occluded you can see that doesn't look very long it's in the proximal internal carotid artery you can see actually the proximal external carotid artery which

is that kind of fat vessel anteriorly also looks stenotic and so it's going to be addressed as well and this is how they treated it this is the exposure in this particular patient big incision extractors place and you can see vessel

loops up along the internal and external carotid arteries distally along some early branches of the external carotid artery off to the side and then down below in the common core artery and ultimately you get good vessel control

you clamp before you make the incision ultimately take out a plaque that looks like this look how extensive that plaque is compared to what you saw in the CT scan so it's not it's generally much more

impressive what's inside the vessel than what you appreciate on imaging but it's the focal stenosis that's the issue so ultimately if yet if the patient was a candidate stenting then you just place a stent

across that and he stabilized this plaque that's been removed and essentially plasti to that within the stent so it doesn't allow any thrombus to break off of this plaque and embolize up to the brain that's the issue of raw

it's the flow through there becomes much more turbulent as the narrowing occurs with this blockage and it's that turbulent flow that causes clot or even a small amount of clot to lodge up distally within the intrical in

terrestrial vasculature so that's the issue here at all if you don't take all that plaque out that's fine as long as you can improve the turbulent blood flow with this stent but this is not without risk so you take that plaque out which

looks pretty bad but there are some complications right so major minor stroke in death an asset which is a trial that's frequently quoted this is really this trial that was looking at medical therapy versus carotid surgery

five point eight percent of patients had some type of stroke major minor so that's not insignificant you get all that plaque out but if you know one in twenty you get a significant stroke then that's not so bad I'm not so good right

so but even if they don't get a stroke they might get a nerve palsy they might get a hematoma they may get a wound infection or even a cardiovascular event so nothing happens in the carotid but the heart has an issue because the

blockages that we have in the carotid are happening in the legs are happening in the coronary so those patients go through a stress event the general anesthetic the surgery incision whatever and then recovery from that I actually

put some stress on the whole body overall and they may get an mi so that's always an issue as well so can we do something less invasive this is actually a listing of the trials the talk is going to be available to you guys so I'm

not going to go through each of this but this is comparing medical therapy which I started with and surgery and comparing the two options per treatment and showing that in certain symptomatic patients if they have significant

stenosis which is deemed greater than 70% you may be better off treating them with surgery or stenting than with best medical therapy and as we've gotten better and better with being more aggressive with best medical therapy

this is moving a little bit but here's the criteria for treatment and so you have that available to you but really is

symptoms we've talked about the location so what are the options now I've kind of scared everybody enough said okay fine if my periods are last in more than

seven days if I have pain with my periods if I have clawed if I have painful sexual intercourse back pain hydronephrosis and sciatica all kinds of these little things then maybe I could be having fibrous what do I do about it

and there are several options obviously I'm here to talk about embolization but because everybody in this room is talking about informed consent every day we have to be able to talk to our patients about what are the options and

I always try to start off with the simplest of options doing something or doing nothing remember this is not a cancer this is a benign disease and it's important that we explain to our patients that they also have the option

of doing nothing although doing nothing has some consequences right every action has a consequence and the consequence of doing nothing includes continuing to have your disease continuing to be sick and abnormal and if you chose to do

something let's say a surgical option then obviously you can have hysterectomy or myomectomy now Maya met to me is just where you're cutting out the fibroid hysterectomy is taking the whole uterus out and then there's a whole series of

other things whether you're having it laparoscopically or transvaginal Eeyore I'm here to talk about uterine artery embolization we offer all of these options to our patients though because it's important that we at least know

that there are other options to be done

being your sister's keeper this is my last two slides uterine fibroid embolization is effective and it's durable we do know that we although 300 000 hysterectomies are done in the country Stella for benign disease of

fibroids we are making dent in that doing around 30 000 UFE procedures annually in the u.s. we know that the procedure is clinically successful for bleeding in bulk and there are several several clinical studies that have shown

that compared to surgery that you can have less recovery time and complication that outpatient service is going to now become the standard of what the population is asking for no one wants to be in the hospital unless they have to

do it and that we could return patients to a better quality of life faster going back to work and around a week with a low complication rate thank you for your time and for your attention and doctor and I would be available for questions

Thanks

another device that's new in the market

is the inari device it is a combi combination of suction thrombectomy and mechanical thrombectomy and it you can see it looks like three Amplatz or plugs on a catheter but that blue catheter is actually a very nice suction system as

well so you can go beyond the clot pull it in and then suck it into the catheter this is very useful because you can pull clot out without giving any TPA and you have a lot less blood loss so if you can take the clot out with a lot less blood

loss I think you can out patients again the benefit is that there's no thrombolytic and the patients have less bleeding drawbacks like many of these devices is there's really no studies to prove that they work we can prove that

they can remove clot from the patient's body but that we don't know that that actually helps in the long run so what we really want to know in all the studies which we're actually going to show three of the main studies is

whether this actually helps patients life in the long term do they does it improve their mortality so the first

hello hello it is my honor again to be invited back I consider it an extreme privilege to be asked to give this lecture almost every year I am amazed constantly at the talent that I get to work with and for the friendships that I have established over the years of

coming to this meeting thanks for inviting me can you hear me yes fantastic and so I'm gonna talk for a few minutes about something that is my passion and although I'm a woman I don't want anyone to think that just because

I'm a woman then women's health is my thing I actually choose to do this because who else could do this if not me and so I have no actual disclosures for this talk I want to have some disclosures so if you're from Medtronic

Boston Scientific and wherever please I I would love to have some disclosures I won't be making any money from doing this and that and if I would make money I think I would still do this it says here that I will be discussing some

awful label devices but I have taken them out of the talk so I won't be and so for year after year I've been coming and telling you that I'm almost 50 I don't know if you've heard me speak before and I'm saying that I am almost

50 and when I become 50 and this year I'm a little bit closer to that I will join an exclusive club of women who by the time they're 50 80 % of them if they're black will have fibroids 80% of them and so just know that today I'm a

little bit closer to that I want to acknowledge my nurses and technologists that I work with back home at Emory I'm actually amazed to be a part of double-team it is because of them that I'm not sued and it is because of them

that I'm going to be sued and I absolutely love them so we're

real briefly about medical therapy options there are a lot of different

options with a lot of fancy medications that have been studied the problem with these medications these patients are gonna be on them life long and their disease is never gonna get better it's just gonna get maintained so there are

multiple different classes of drugs and basically what they're all doing is causing vasodilation of the pulmonary arteries so a couple drugs that we I think many of us know viagra is on their sildenafil believe it or not that has

more than one use and this is one of the main uses pulmonary hypertension there are other drugs that were created specifically for them that are prostaglandins or guanylate cyclase stimulators which basically cause

vasodilation many of these have been studied for for many years and they're very expensive as much as $1 000 a day so that's pretty expensive insurance does cover them but they're expensive drugs with potential

side effects so I'm gonna finish off the

so I'm gonna show an example this is a 57 year old male who presented with a dis neo

he had World Health Organization functional class 3 meaning it's significantly affected his life he can't walk up the flight of stairs really tired walking from the parking lot of his favorite restaurant back to this car

can't really walk around the grocery store he had a history of DVT and PE also had afib he actually went to the ER and was diagnosed with upper respiratory tract infection which many of these patients are they've put him on

antibiotics then for pneumonia he had a VQ after one of his doctors just felt like he just wasn't getting better and it found multiple mismatch defect I'm sorry I don't have those pictures he was actually started on home oxygen after

all of that work up it was found that he had CTF and this required I think three different hospital visits and every time got kicked up to sort of a higher acuity place and then he ended up at our place so these are his pulmonary angiogram

images here I don't know if I can play these but the still images kind of show you that the images on the right show that there's basically no vessels going out distally so I mentioned pruning of vessels there's no branches in the right

upper lobe if you look at the right lower lobe at the tip of the catheter there's areas of stenosis right where the segmental arteries start and on the left you can see that the left pulmonary artery is denuded essentially the entire

left upper low branch is excluded by a rim of thrombus and in the left lower lobe the image on the bottom my bottom right there's actually no branches going to the left lower lobe into the lingula so this is a patient that has had very

bad CTF their main the pulmonary artery pressures are listed there of 77 where the normal high is 25 so three times the normal pulmonary artery pressure so this patient went on to an operation so the image on the right the photograph is

actually the clot that they removed from the operation and that patients pressures improved from 77 to 22 immediately after the operation so they go to the ICU they have a swan-ganz catheter left in place and you can

measure their pressure right afterwards and you can see that that clot they grabbed it it looks like a bunch of fingers well what they do is they crack the chest open like with a mini sternotomy they make an incision in the

pulmonary artery after they put them on bypass and then they basically grab they use they're a little deBakey's the DeBakey forceps and they grab this little elevator and they just start scooping

out the clot and they try to grab it as one big piece take it out and then you get that nice photograph on the side if they break off pieces it's actually worse because that's an area that a pulmonary artery dissection can occur so

it's a very complex operation but you get very nice results and afterwards these patients are sent home usually on lifelong anticoagulation thereafter so

so just to give you guys an example of a

typical patients that we would see in patient this example right here is a 71 year old guy as far as this urinary symptoms he has this long-standing history of lots or lower urinary tract symptoms so we call it lots for short

but basically has the symptoms of urgency hesitancy and sometimes I'm aware incontinence he's also been followed by our urologist and it was seemed to have a little great prostate cancer so at least at this time

it's not getting any treatment so it's just on close surveillance however though he was straight on flomax which is one of the alpha blockers would we'll briefly go over later he's not able to stay on those medications because of the

side effects he's having some dizziness hypertension and he's complaining that he cannot perform well at home so this is just a quick view this is an MRI to your right there is an MRI looking from the front side and so you can see the

hip bone so it's on the right but if you look in the middle there that's this prostate gland okay and the highlighted part is this bladder as you can see the process is compressing on the bladder and likely compressing the urethra air

obstructing urine flow and to your left there is the sagittal view of the MRI and you could also see that bladder compressing excuse me that the prostate compressing on a bladder now this process is measured to be about a

hundred and fifty six grams normally a male should have about thirty grams so he has like five times the normal of size of a normal guy so be pages a very common condition usually related to aging and then when they have and it's

causing the subscribe' symptoms and we call it lots basically so about thirty percent of men would be ph will have the symptoms and if you're above sixty you're gonna have at least like fifty percent of them and seventy or an older

you pretty much have the symptoms of let's just like recovery of an enemy patho of the prostate as we all know the prostate is doughnut shape glad that in circles the urethra it's just right below the bladder and above the base of

the penis is right in front of the rectum so on exam you're able to palpate the process easily the main function of the prostate is usually to make this fluid with the semen the lining of the prostate is filled with this alpha

receptors which is important to know especially with some of the medical therapy with prostate and it's activated by smooth muscle regulated by the our genetic nervous system just a quick review on the path though so be case you

really refers to this tissue going around the prostate and so this causes compression also there's a decrease in elastic fibers in the prostate you read her causing increased resistance and one of the more popular if delivery what we

think this is happening is this imbalance in testosterone that's converted into tht also called the hadass the hydro testosterone and this is converted by an enzyme called 5-alpha reductase it is

also important to know especially with some of the malko therapies that are being used with BPH and so once the DHT is formed within the prostate he undergoes this complex mutation basically causing prostate hyperthre

being so BPH basically is hyperplasia upto prostate tissue and this really common or two reasons why patients will have lots it's because of bladder obstruction and there's increased resistance within the prostate urethra

so a lot of patients will have symptoms of hesitancy extreme straining nocturia urgency or frequency and many transportation can be fully dependent due to the severity of their symptoms so many of these men that comes to our

clinic and we want test them they will come in jokingly talk about their symptoms but in reality a lot of the symptoms are really life-altering a lot of these patients are not able to sit through a meeting for a long time they

can take long trips without having multiple stops a lot of patients are also having to go to the restrooms multiple multiple times at night causing a sleep deep vibration so a lot of these patients are actually press and a lot of

another thing that's more important for this patient it actually causes sexual dysfunction which a lot of men are not very happy about so nearly half of them will have some type of sexual dysfunction when patient have a lots

associated with BPH and would be paged you know you could have also complications such as never your Yarilo Suzman huge early biases patients can have recurrent UTIs especially the ones who are fully dependent

and at force they can affect our kidney function so this is our questionnaires

patient who did not come from the street so if you've been here for a few years

you've heard me talk about you know some of my friends this is also one of my other friends who has large fibroids but her fibroids were so big and they were not all very vascular and so I sent her to have surgery and she ended up having

a hysterectomy with removal of her cervix because of abnormal pap smears but her ovaries were left in place so our path forward after doing this procedure from 1995 a procedure that is not experimental a procedure that has

had a lot a lot of research done on it more research than most procedures that are done surgically or by interventional radiologists I'd say that it would require a partnership it is true that we can see patients on our own and we can

manage mostly everything but at the end of the day uterine artery embolization is still a palliative procedure because we don't know what causes fibroids to begin with and as long as the uterus is still there there's always a chance that

new fibroids will come back so in your practice and in mind I believe that a path forward is a sustaining program embolization program which is built on a relationship with the gynecologist that yes

I am as aggressive as any other interventionist that is out there but if this were my mom and that is my usual test for things I would say that where we would like to position ourselves is in the business of informing the

patient's as much as possible so that they can make an informed decision and that we're asking our gynecology partners to do the same is that if you're going to have a hysterectomy for a benign disease that you should demand

and we as a society and you as your sisters keeper should be asking for why am I not eligible for an embolization so si R is actually embarking on a major campaign in the next year or so it's called the vision to heal campaign and

it's all around providing education for this disease stage what I like to tell our patients and I'm almost finished here is when I talk to our gynecologist and to techs and nurses as well I said woody woody what should I expect right

that's what they want to know when I send my patient to you what should I expect and I say that what you should expect that Shawn and myself we're gonna tell the patient everything about fibroids we're gonna talk to them about

what the fibroids are the pathophysiology of it the same things I told you we're gonna tell them about the procedures that treat it we tell them about the options to do nothing we talk about all of the risk and the benefits

of the procedures especially of fibroid embolization and we start the workup to see if they're an appropriate candidate when they're an appropriate candidate we communicate with them and their OBGYN and then we schedule them for their

procedure in our practice there are a few of us who send our patients home on the same day and we let our patients know no one is kicking you out of the hospital if you can't go home that day then you'll get to stay but

most of our patients are able to go home that day and then we see our patients back in clinic somewhere between two and four months three months and six months and we own that patient follow-up their visits and after their year we have them

follow back up with their gynecologist and so that we're managing all of these sites and it comes back to that new again may not be so new for some of the people that have been doing clinical IR four years that shift that we own these

patients if you're a nurse in this room these are our patients these questions need to be answered by us in our department we do not believe that these patients should be calling their gynecologist for the answers to that

like what should I be doing right now should I be taking I haven't had a bowel movement and like that is something that we answer we're the ones that are given them the discharge instructions and we set them back up for their follow-up so

here are the treatment options and I did want to include a fourth one it says nothing about the intervention per se but it's medical management which was actually had the significant growth over the last decade and really more

aggressive medical management every treatment below this should have medical management included as part of it so I included that first that's critical if you're gonna have a carotid endarterectomy if that's what ultimately

your your physician decides then you should still have medical management before and after carotid artery stenting and then ultimately trans carotid artery stenting so carotid endarterectomy I'll show you a case example but this is a

diagram illustrating what's ultimately done that longitudinal incision and then removal of that plaque this is what the plaque looks like when it comes out as opposed to carotid artery stenting which is less invasive obviously and we place

a stent but we don't actually remove the plaque overall you know you know we can talk about why that's okay in fact the plaque itself doesn't need to come up what we need to improve the flow and stabilize that plaque from being able to

embolize small clot overall medical therapy is really just these basic things aspirin or sometimes dual antiplatelet therapy so that's aspirin and plavix in addition aggressive statin therapy so

Doc's will Vascular Docs anyone interested in this space will have you a non-aggressive statins or cholesterol-lowering medications stop smoking tight glucose control so those diabetics have to be really well

regulated and in the blood pressure control if you don't do those things no matter what you do with the carotid endarterectomy or the stenting is gonna fail so what's carotid endarterectomy

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