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Transcript

The point of this case is to show that hepatic other branches are end-vessel branches.

You don't need to worry about embolizing, so embolize them with impunity obviously get as distal as you can with your catheter, and this is the microcatheter there and you can use whatever you're comfortable with, coils, gelfoam.

[UNKNOWN] Blood clot if you want to, this things once you get access into it they are easy to embolize.

so this is our MGH page we started it about a year ago check it out if you guys like it some pretty good cases we mostly post cases some policy stuff industry and changing things it's not purely cases but certainly take a look if you like it give us a follow so what

I have today is I have two cases that I picked and you know for all the thousands of cases that all these huge academic medical centers do I tried to pick a couple that might be a little interesting and that aren't being done

in all the different centers across the institution so I'll start off with the first which is an endovascular AVF creation so what's nice about this is that you know what we see so far from this is that the length of stay impact

has been certainly reduced in certainly the maturation times and the Rhian turn re intervention rates have been reduced so I'll go through this and normally wouldn't go step by step for a few things but I think you know not all

institutions are doing this yet I think that you will I do think this is going to be a shift for a lot of the dialysis patients and everybody who works anion knows what a huge impact it is the ESRD patients is just astronomical the

numbers of them it's just continuing to rise so procedural steps the first step is you're going to access the brachial vein advance the guide Y down to the ulna insert a six French sheath and perform a vena Graham and the rationale

for that of course is to make sure you don't have any issues centrally some centers do that in advance some centers don't I will mention also that the ultrasound mapping is absolutely critical to make sure that

you get the right patient you start off by seeing them in the outpatient clinic and then you're going to go and have them have vascular ultrasound to make sure you have a good candidate so the next is you're gonna access the brachial

artery same thing advance your guide wire down to the ulna from there you're gonna insert the venous side now this is one of two approved vendors that will allow you to do an endovascular creation this was a wave link it's a to stick

system and it requires two catheters which is why you see the next step is pretty much repeated but just flipping it to the arterial side so from there there's a magnetic zone it actually has like a little canoe so it's got a

backing of a ceramic sort of a space there if you can think of sort of the older or atherectomy cut home catheters that had that little carro canoe you would actually take the debris out it's very

look into that and I'll show you that in a couple of images once you align that you're gonna sort of engage the little electrode this is an RF ablation RF created type fistula so it creates a little slit between the Adri and the

vein and what happens is is that you know of course don't forget you have to ground the patient just like any RF once you get the magnets and you get the electrode alignment you're going to engage the device for two seconds and

the fistula is created and then from there a lot of centers are actually going in there embolize in one of the brachial veins and this is basically to sum some of that stuff obviously to the superficial system for draining I have

read that there are a few places that actually go back back in through the newly-created fistula like even at the time of the procedure with the 4 millimeter balloon and just sort of open that up I'm not sure that that's 100%

necessary but I'm sure all these fine people on the panel could help us with that so here you see and I skipped all the entry steps but here you can see the Venus in the arterial catheter you know in position here and there's that little

canoe thing pointed out by the arrow that I had talked about and you use fluoro to sort of align these two things when you first start doing these cases take your time the first one was over an hour and a half for us now obviously

it's about a third at that time this is the little electrode this is when it's advanced and pretty much ready to engage can you play the video for me so this is quick so what happens is you suppress the

device the electrode actually advances and as it advances towards the veena side what happens is is that it actually just creates this fistula through the RF sort of energy from there you're gonna do a post vena graph in here you can see

after we did an initial post intagram there was enough sort of flow between the PIAT brachial so we decided to embolize one and this patient was our first patient and is doing very well so far this is done on I'm gonna say just

because you know to dr. brains point I don't want to get on the hook for certain dates and patient identification but this was done in mid-march so we saw them two weeks out and we're gonna see them again another couple weeks so just

there's a couple of trials that you can read into one is the neat one is the flex trial I think the technical success is really promising at 96% the maturation days you can see there's a massive massive comparison where they

could be ready to be dialyzed in 60 days and this could be a game-changer for many patients the six-month patency rate is what I've seen in most of the reports it's around 98% compared to about 50% with the surgical place and then you can

see that this about 3.5 interactions or re interventions that are required in about 0.5 at a year's time out from this so it's really making a big difference for these patients and I think this is what we do in i/o we continue advanced

things innovate and obviously look to do things in a more timely cost-effective minimally invasive way at the beginning when these new procedures come out the devices themselves might be at a higher price point but we'll see how that goes

moving forward as more and more vendors get into the space so the second case

to talk about is indirect angiography this is kind of a neat trick to suggest to your intervention list as a problem solver we were asked to ablate this lesion and it looked kind of funny this patient had a resection for HCC they

thought this was a recurrence so we bring the comb beam CT and we do an angio and it doesn't enhance so this is an image here of indirect port ography so what you can do is an SMA run and see at which point along the

run do you pacify the portal vein and you just set up your cone beam CT for that time so you just repeat your injection and now your pacifying the entire portal vein even though you haven't selected it and what to show

well this was a portal aneurysm after resection with a little bit of clot in it the patient went on some aspirin and it resolved in three months so back to our first patient what do you do for someone who has HCC that's invading the

heart this patient underwent 2y 90s bland embolization microwave ablation chemotherapy and SBRT and he's an eight-year survivor so it's one of those things where certainly with the correct patient selection you can find the right

things to do for someone I think that usually our best results come from our interdisciplinary consensus in terms of trying to use the unique advantages that individual therapies have and IO is just one of those but this is an important

lesson to our whole group that you know a lot of times you get your best results when you use things like a team approach so in summary there are applications to IO prior to surgery to make people surgical candidates there are definitive

treatments ie your cancer will be treated definitively with curative intent a lot of times we can save when people have tried cure intent and weren't able to and obviously to palliate folks to try to buy them time

and quality of life thermal ablation is safe and effective for small lesions but it's limited by the adjacent anatomy y9t is not an ischemic therapy it's an ablative therapy you're putting small ablative radioactive particles within

the lesion and just using the blood supply as a conduit for your brachytherapy and you can use this as a new admin application to make people safer surgical candidates when you apply to the entire ride a panic globe

thanks everyone appreciate it [Applause] [Music]

we do drain the Louie systems we actually do this extremely successfully as interventional radiologists and it's a very high technical success like I said in this sort of supine position

from the mid-axillary line and these things are and you've seen a lot of these how these done really you need to pacify the system you get trans you most post people go trends in to cost Albany because the liver sometimes can be

tucked up way above and we usually want to make sure that the lung and the costophrenic angle doesn't come down low in nothing I take a deep inspiration first to make sure that you're not dealing with and then we now map your

track than you find some people do this with ultrasound guidance frequently with and dilated structures and most of the time it's actually much probably routine to actually do blind passes in the like I said the path of high success and to

pull back when you a passive our blue system is the only structure that doesn't wash away generally portal vein hepatic vein hepatic artery all of those structures are cylindrical

tubule alike are not are going to wash away move away and quite quickly and you can see this PDC and show in fact a left insertion of a right into your ductal system and frequently this will be something that we would have to make

people watch out like I said identification of choosing the right duct thereafter after you've identified you've performed a color angiogram is to identify how you're going to drain this and the most important thing to identify

is a peripheral duct doesn't matter which one there are ones with higher success but then within the lateral position find one market on the table then with a second axis as a to stick axis and I'm sure this is very germane

and common you've seen get into the peripheral duct and the AP fluoroscopy get a wide down you get a tube down and then eventually go it with a coaxial system getting a skinny wire converted to a larger wire and then following that

with a below a tube and your goal is to really get axis that goes transpannic through a perfect century through obstruction or no obstruction if it's just untie elated and through into the small bowel and lock a some type of

locking system it's interesting the size that you choose does make it different so if you go larger than the 12 french-trained initially the risk of bleeding actually goes above 10% for initial axis so the best is to probably

start with a 8 and 10 and that's what we typically do this is what we connect what it ends up looking like left a

let me show you a case of massive PE

this launched our pert pert PE response team 30 year-old man transcranial resection of a pituitary tumor post-op seizures intracranial frontal lobe hemorrhage okay so after his brain surgery developed a frontal lobe

hemorrhage and of course few days after that developed hypotension and hypoxia and was found to have a PE and this is what the PE look like so I'll go back to this one that's clot in the IVC right there and

that's clot in the right main pulmonary artery on this side clot in the IVC clot in the right main pulmonary artery systolic blood pressure was around 90 millimeters of mercury for about an hour he was getting more altered tachycardic

he was in the 120s at this point we realized he was not going the right direction for some reason the surgeon didn't want to touch him still to this day not sure why but that was the case he was brought to the ir suite and I had

a great Mickey attending who came with him and decided to start him on pressors and basically treat him like an ICU patient while I was trying to get rid of his thrombus so it came from the neck because I was conscious of this clot in

the IVC and I didn't want to dislodge it as I took my catheters past it and you see the Selective pulmonary and on selective pulmonary angiogram here and there's some profusion to the left lung and basically none to the right lung

take a sheath out to the right side and do an injection that you see all this cast of thrombus you really see no pulmonary perfusion here you can understand why at this point this man is not doing well what I did at this point

was give a little bit of TPA took a pigtail started trying to spin it through aspirated a little bit wasn't getting anywhere he was actually getting worse I was starting to feel very very nervous I had remembered for my AV

fistula work that there was this thing called the cleaner I don't have any stake in the company but I said you know I don't have a lot to lose here and I thought maybe this would be better than me trying to spin a pigtail through

the clock so the important thing about the cleaners it does not go over a wire so you have to take the sheet out then take out the wire then put the cleaner through that sheath and withdraw the sheath

you can't bareback it especially in the pulmonary circulation the case reports are poking through the pulmonary artery and causing massive hemorrhage and the pulmonary artery does not have an adventitia which is the outer layer just

a little bit thinner than your average artery okay so activated it deployed it and you started to get better and this is what it looked like at the end now this bonus question does somebody see anything on this this picture here that

made me very happy on this side this picture here that made me feel like hey we're getting somewhere I'm sorry the aorta the aorta you start to see the aorta exactly and that that was something I was not seen before the

point being that even though this doesn't look that good in terms of your final image the fact that you see filling in the aorta and mine it might have been some of the stuff I had done earlier I can't I can't pinpoint which

of the interventions actually worked but that's what I'm looking for I'm looking for aortic blood flow because now I've got a hole in that in that clot that's getting blood flow to the left ventricle which starts to reverse that RV

dysfunction that we were concerned about make sure I'm okay with time so we'll

angiography came along towards the tail end of my fellowship so around 2011-2012

actually a children's Boston initially and then subsequently done in Penn in adults and this really became as simple as doing a lymph node biopsy basically sticking it on a lymph node while it seems novel it's really

interesting because if you go back to 1931 that's actually when they started doing some of this work when they were actually injecting the lymph nodes with these different tracers and they could see so it's a combination of a little

bit of ingenuity and looking back at our history and we the way that made it a lot easier for everybody this is basically my little setup here and I used some Italian syringes a plastic opaque three way so

that the lapa doll doesn't dissolve through it the medallion syringes hold up a lot better than the typical day we used luer lock stuff I use long propofol type thin bore tubing I attached it to a nine

centimeter long 25 to 27 gauge spinal needle I take the inner styler out of that cheeba so that because it's such a skinny needle that it bends a lot and this way I can put it right into the lymph node without having to connect it

to the tubing and then I can start my injection right away the 2115 cheeba there and that scalpel are really the only other things that I need to get started to do a successful thoracic duct embolization other thing that's really

critical is I always ask my texts and nurses to slap SC D's on the patients and if once we have the SC DS it really speeds up the procedure by an hour to two because you have this constant compression of the Venus and the

lymphatics and the legs forcing more fluid to make your thing to make your case I move along more quickly so something that was more recently adopted at many medical centers and these are the type of images that you get so I

stick my needle into the lymph node and I start this injection you give this beautiful arborization of the lap I doll contrast as it continues to spread and move from one lymph node to another you see there's a central area there that

isn't filling that's actually the lymph node that's already transmitted the lap idol and this was the image that I showed you initially so same image injection injecting of different lymph nodes you can see the transit from one

area to the rest of the chain in the pelvis hepatic lymph angiography is not

good afternoon thank you so much for invitation to speak to you I have a privilege of working at Johns Hopkins and we have a fairly large practice we at the main hospital itself we have 11 rooms and during a day about two of them are have a biliary case actually going

on at the same time so it's actually a fairly large volume of our practice and so the gamut of bluie intervention goes from really simple stuff to really complex and it is something that our trainees specifically will come to

Hopkins for and many of times they will end up being the blurry and experts as soon as they arrive at a new practice so certainly it's something that we deal with every day I just wanted to give you a landscape overview and share some good

cases that we've done and hopefully you may something have some comments or learn something about the way we do it but I'm pretty sure throughout the country a lot of great Billu work has been done currently there's no question

though the Blooey access and access to the Blooey system has really been played out in most hospitals perth by GI and ir and obviously surgery but almost a lesser so today and the rat in at least four IR is the PTC PPD or transparent

Col angiogram but it's actually a recurring role and I actually speak and have a sort of special interest in transit paddock colonoscopy as well so we play scopes through the skin through the liver and do a lot of balloon

intervention I'll show you a few cases like that but in true these access points are germane to what specialty you come from and obviously endoscopic beeper oral and if you eye are usually usually through the skin and there's no

question GI now in some hospitals I'm sure you have advanced endoscopy that will go through the stomach straight into the leftover liver so there's no question of a blurry landscape is changing quickly but no question that

this is quite common but yet most patients and internal medicine specialties will be looking at blurry disease by access point through scopes through ercp so going back from the Duden up or directly through in there's

advantages disadvantages something it's fairly obvious to everybody that you know no question is selling it to a patient if it had both choices that ERCP through the mouth and nothing invasive nothing sticking out their body

is attractive yet the outcomes are very similar but nonetheless there's pros and cons and through the trance of had a crap or two percutaneous route you do definitely have tubes at least sticking out

initially and this is often solved by GI as the main differentiator at least a discomfort but yet we are able to address almost every problem at times and often where'd they pay a lot there's

no question why would we do it so the

the usually when there's enteric surgery frequently GI is unable to go once the bowel has been rehook tup through a either Worple procedure or bariatric surgeries where they essentially disconnect the direct communication with

RO mouth so once summons has the surgery there's no question almost IR is always consulted and frequently the only way and and we certainly deal with many ways of the dressing biliary disease not just therapeutic but also diagnostic and

staging and so like I said reduce a lot of scopes now there's sort of no reason you could never do a Balu intervention and it sort of said that ascites and frequently should be a relative contraindication we don't really find

that certainly you can embolize your way out of access into the brewery systems i think this is a relative and every now and then when you have vast numbers of cysts in the liver and polycystic liver disease can't be a barrier to performing

it and we made sometimes then refer those so there's no question sometimes you may want to think about Jia should taking over if they underlaid it but frequently in fact at most of our believe cases are transferred in as

complex and transfers into our hospital are ones with underlay the bill Redux mainly misadventure after lap laparoscopic cholecystectomy or just overall a really complex balloon save case there's frequently transactions or

massive leaks so underlaid is really something we deal with on a daily basis when should you not do it it's very rare

well switch gears and start talking about Kyllo societies histology the

etiology of Callao societies historically used to be malignancy in tuberculosis first described in the 1600s in a two-year-old who had a tuberculous peritoneal disease more recently now we see it due to aggressive

surgery whether it's renal resections for kidney cancer lymph node resections etc it can also be due to cancer the incidence is climbing rapidly this is just a graph of the incidence at different hospitals from 1930s and 1980s

I can I don't have the data for the 2000s this was a graph that I actually generated from based on several studies just to show you how profound the leak can be in these patients well looking at what we do with

maduk college societies fairly similar to what we do elsewhere we map it out we have three major Studies on that right now and a lot of smaller studies so the total nineteen manuscripts ninety six patients and in those eighty two

patients had to report whether or not they saw a leak they saw a leak in 60 of those eighty two patients and when we saw a leak we were able to cure 70 of them just by doing than paying geography and eighty eight percent when we were

able to actually embolize it so again going from in ninety percent mortality at one year if you have caused societies due to cancer or forty percent for any other cause to cure with the simple procedures is pretty amazing just to

kind of show you an example this was 55 year old gentleman who had removal of his left kidney they found a seven centimeter renal cell carcinoma incidentally while he was being worked up for a kidney stone it had been six

months of constant Kyllo societies and loss of 63 pounds before he saw me here's a lymph angiogram showing fairly typical anatomy until you see this little leak and you see the surgical clips there where his kidney was and all

of the hollow pile spilling around and surrounding his spleen I'm doing this and then we did an embolization right around that area he sent me an email two months ago just before I left the University of Michigan thanking me for

changing his life and saving his life another example this gentleman had had major debulking surgery for for testicular cancer he also has had prior bone metastasis with a hip replacement there and you see a bilateral leaks he

see multiple drains they couldn't control his fluid and we embolize all of these small leaks around his pelvis and also fixed him as well and just she see all the focal areas of leak throughout this was a three year old who'd had a

Wilms tumor resection we're mapping them out and you see the area of leak in the center there and was able to fix this child as well discharged and continued on his merry way cured protein losing

we're gonna move on to embolization there a couple different categories of embolization bland embolization is when

you just administering something that is choking off the blood supply to the tumor and that's how it's going to exert its effect here's a patient with a very large metastatic renal cell lesion to the humerus this is it on MRI this is it

per angiogram and this patient was opposed to undergo resection so we bland embolized it to reduce bleeding and I chose this one here because we used sequentially sized particles ranging from 100 to 200 all

the way up to 700 and you can actually if you look closely can see sort of beads stacked up in the vessel but that's all that it's doing it's just reducing the blood supply basically creating a stroke within the tumor that

works a fair amount of time and actually an HCC some folks believe that it were very similar to keep embolization which is where at you're administering a chemo embolic agent that is either l'p hi doll with the chemo agent suspended within it

or drug eluting beads the the Chinese have done some randomized studies on whether or not you can also put alcohol in the pie at all and that's something we've adopted in our practice too so anything that essentially is a chemical

outside of a bland agent can be considered a key mobilization so here's a large segment eight HCC we've all been here before we'll be seeing common femoral angiogram a selective celiac run you can make sure

the portals open in that segment find the anterior division pedicle it's going to it select it and this is after drug living bead embolization so this is a nice immediate response at one month a little bit of gas that's expected to be

within there however this patient had a 70% necrosis so it wasn't actually complete cell death and the reason is it's very hard to get to the absolute periphery of the blood supply to the tumor it is able to rehab just like a

stroke can rehab from collateral blood supply so what happens when you have a lesion like this one it's kind of right next to the cod a little bit difficult to see I can't see with ultrasound or CT well you can go in and tag it with lip

Idol and it's much more conspicuous you can perform what we call dual therapy or combination therapy where you perform a microwave ablation you can see the gas leaving the tumor and this is what it looks like afterwards this patient went

to transplant and this was a complete pathologic necrosis so you do need the concept of something that's ablative very frequently to achieve that complete pathologic necrosis rates very hard to do that with ischemia or chemotherapy

alone so what do you do we have a

let's move on here is another patient who took a fall skiing we see a lot of these patients up in upstate New York and they presented with severe left-sided abdominal pain and here's the cat scan

all right who's up for it what do you think what looks bad you look like you're into it what do you think yeah the right the bottom right-hand side of the picture should be spleen and it just looks like a big pool of blood that's

pretty good you did pretty good spleens a little higher so we're gonna presume spleen is there Graham this is just one image one slice through the picture through the body so we're just not at the level of the spleen but that's the

kidney that's exactly right that white thing on the right side of the image of the patient's left side is the kidney and the one thing I'd like everyone who appreciates that doesn't look at all like the other side all right so when

you look at a cat-scan like this you want to look for symmetry that's really important all right that's the cool thing is we're kind of meant to be similar looking on both sides of our body and in this particular

case you can see that the left kidney has been pushed way forward in the body compared to the right side and there is a kind of a hematoma sitting in the retroperitoneum posterior behind the kidney that's bad

the other thing you should notice is if you look at that left kidney you notice that white squiggly line that doesn't belong there okay that's contrast that's not really constrained inside an artery that's extravagant of

contrast that's bad all right we don't want to see that all right again there's a grading system for renal trauma and you're gonna hear people talk about grade 1 2 3 4 injuries all right obviously as the number gets higher the

extents of the injury gets more significant all right so again here's that picture think you can appreciate that it's at least a grade 4 laceration of the kidney so we went in and we did an angiogram now we can watch these

patients we can surgically manage them by taking out their kidney in some ways that's the easy part excuse me it's a lot more elegant to try and embolize these patients if they're hemodynamically stable and can take you

know getting to angio and doing the case now in general we do embolization for patients with lower grade injuries and usually penetrating injuries a penetrating trauma that's seen on CT I think this is something that's changing

I if any of you work at high-volume trauma centers the reality is that we're doing more and more renal angiography for trauma than we used to because it's just becoming a more accepted thing for us to

be doing that all right so here's the angiogram and again I think you can notice it really correlates very well to what we saw on the CT scan you see that first image on the left and on the delayed image you see that that kind of

poorly constrained contrast going out into space now we were never really quite sure what this was if it was extravasation or if it was potentially an arteriovenous fistula with early filling of a renal vein regardless of

which it's not normal all right so what we did was we went in and we embolized and I only included this picture because I'm a big drawer during cases so when I'm working with a resident or a fellow I like to really

lay out our plan on a piece of paper and try and stick to the plan and this particular picture look really good so I included on the lecture but basically you can see that the coils the goal here for any embolization procedure

when it comes to trauma is to preserve as much of the normal organ as we can and to simply get you know to the source of the bleeding and to get it to stop and that's what we did there so what you can appreciate on this is kind of the

renal parenchyma or the tissue of the kidney is largely maintained you can see the dark black kind of blush within the kidney and all that really stands for properly working kidney all right and yet we embolize the pathology so that's

our goal here's a similar patient not

to have severe humor billion almost all all those that need your attention is about aghori portal veins though can be tremendously so the differentiation between hepatic artery and portal vein

bleeding is the big differentiator that will require you to do something about it most of the times if you injure the portal vein or hepatic vein these usually heal by themselves and it's counterintuitive the management of this

is actually to upsize your tube and they make sure the side holes are not adjacent to the bleeding vein it's crossing so it's counterintuitive that you upsize - for bleeding injure the vein more but

eventually those veins will thromboses off for that little branch the difficult situations of sahiba heavy hit an artery and here's one way we did a gram you can see the pacification the reason why you want to go into the peripheral duct I'll

show you always near the hilum is actually also very big blood are the blood vessels and the reason why we go peripheral the number of large vessels are much greater diminished so you always want in this patient was

transferred for an outside Hospital my PTC was performed by someone who obviously doesn't do a lot of these and access directly into the coma bar duct you can see all these filling defects all these filling defects in the combat

like those or clots and filled with someone who's actually had life-threatening significant he Mobilia and required what we did was they were just pacify the system get another peripheral access

right biliary system and embolize the track coming out and thereby removing the original axis that was placed by the outside hospital interventionists obviously the ones that aureus the most of the narco that will kill people is

the ones that hit our ease and pseudoaneurysm formation or tara Venus fistulas and I can be problematic in my only real ways their dresses trans cap the treatments a patient would have an angio we'd have to get into the pedagogy

find the feeding or it almost always though and we can predict way that bleeding artery is it's where your Y is crossing the architecture of the artery tree frequently you will not see it until you remove the tube so almost

always you would have to prep the right flank prep the groin to an angiogram with the tube in because you don't really want to be rushing at the beginning of your procedure you frequently do the angiogram not see

bleeding and then a second operator needs the described brake scrub get non sterile axes remove the blue tube repeat the angiogram and almost certainly then you'll see it but again it's very

predictable where it is but every now and then you get caught out and the bleeding side can be remote from where your actual Y or actual access transgressor you you do need to have a careful eye looking for that and so you

know when we looked at out and we do large numbers of blurry drainage the best predictor or and like I said Arturo Kimber Billy is actually related to your first tube and the size that you place and it's also

interesting like I said every now and then you're gonna see that bleeding arteries are actually not liver arteries and you can't bleed from the GDA internal memory from other procedures intercostal artery from where you put

your tube first needle through the liver through sorry through the ribs itself it's actually access site rather than your internal parenchymal your liver so it's actually important to also do sometimes it a water gram check the

intercostal artery because you'll miss it by doing a celiac or teragrams hepatic artery gram and don't understand why the patients still bleeding and here's just example of what a pseudoaneurysm does when we remove the

chief we can see the image on the right the blue tube has mean withdraw back and they you can see quite clearly there and sorry the pseudoaneurysm of the paddock right re and like any other immunization is important to go front door back door

implies across mainly because the liver architecture has a rich collateralization that will feed before and after and like I said the lake complication zone was or derived and related to tube maintenance and tubes

catching on to things in dislodgement and so these are just really you know your whoever answers the phones whether it's the physicians on call they have to manage with maintenance of these tubes and really just keeping these tubes open

as long as possible it's amazing how long some of these tubes do last in particular in benign but Lewis structures so management of these is really or expectant and the right advice and frequently just need to

get these tubes changements they're clogged sufficiently the difficult ones

so we're just gonna like hop over to the clinic side and kind of discuss how we work up or what are the things we look for when we see the patients in clinic

so a lot of patients are referred to us by urologist so we have to have a urology on board to to better take care of this patient we can't treat this patient you know by ourselves so a lot of patients are referred to us by our

neurology team if they don't have a urologist we have to refer to them to erosions first before we can even work them up or PAE so we won't make sure that patient you know doesn't have any underlying cancer that we know of so we

want to make sure that we check their PSA levels because this high high patient can ask actually I predict a decent progression and actually our risk for acute urinary retention you want to make sure that you get

urinalysis a lot of patience wet with lots is not only due to pph you could also be secondary to UTI or if patient has some type of bladder tumor or bladder disorder so it's kind of good to know to understand some of the lingo

that urology uses so once they see the urologist they do some your dynamic studies and one of the popular ones are these non-invasive studies called euro flama tree and the post-void residual do you offer the Euro excuse me you heard

from a tree usually we will measure the flow rate and the volume of the patients so what they do is they they would pee in this special funnel and the final obviously they go in private but this final is connected to some machine that

can actually measures how fast and how much their voiding and so normally it's about 25 miles per second but if it's anywhere less than 13 to 15 it can suggest obstruction and use the obstructions usually due to BPH some of

us a very low flow rate such as like say less than ten or six you have you want to be a suspicious of some type of you to neutral structure after they do that usually what they'll do is they take a post void residual is basically scan so

they'll put that little probe above the bladder and they'll see how much is left in a bladder if it's 150 that she usually indicates in complete emptying someone who has greater than 200 that may suggest patients having some type of

bladder dysfunction so a lot of its patients to us at least woke up with some type of imaging and the ones that at least our physician selects is the MRI patient do get a CT angiogram which can also evaluate the pelvic Anatomy and

arteries however the process the mr process actually gives a better illustration of the prostate a tissue to see if there's any suspicious for cancer for example you can also display the president atomy and characteristic up

the gland so most patients do get MRI or at least we get them to get MRI to measure the actual volume in literature they will tell you that a patient can get a trance rectal ultrasound but I'm not sure how many

guys in here would like a probe stuck up their butt to get to get their prostate measured so unless you wanted to get pissed at you just supporter I am right so when we see the patient you obviously want to review their HMP more

importantly you'll want to check their comorbidities there's social history whether it is smoke or not because they're gonna that's gonna have an impact on how we stay patients and how you can predict their anatomies

obviously someone's died who is diabetic or who has a history of smoking you could expect for them to have a greater degree of atherosclerosis and again the first thing that we would get the patient why we walked in is we go in

that scoresheet the IPSS score and so that's gonna give us an idea of how bad this symptoms are so if they come in to us with a score of say you know they're mildly symptomatic I'm not sure how much to pee a procedure with would help them

because how much more lower can we get their scores down so a lot of patients we would treat are in the moderate to severe category and their quality of life score should be for the most part will be about three or higher you also

want to make sure the trusted results since this is Andrew Graham procedures you will make sure that they have a pretty decent renal function patients with lots a lot of them may have some degree of renal insufficiency so we have

to be careful make sure we watch that lab value so this is some of the screening criteria that a lot of us may use so patients who I have refractory to medications for the six months someone has a high IPSS core grain 13 or

qualifies score greater than three process volumes gotta be at least 40 grams we sometimes get patients with a high score but they're positive volumes around 30 we usually usually wouldn't treat those

patient because we can't basically treat or shrink the prostate any any lower than that you someone who has an abnormal urine Flo and someone who maybe refractor to medical therapy these are just a list of

exclusion criteria the ones that should my party set out someone who has prostatitis or current approximate infection you definitely want don't want to treat those patients chronic renal failure and relatively maybe coagulation

factors that could be patient dependent sometime sometimes we could optimize them to get this arteriogram procedure and prostate and bladder malignancy also this somewhat also relative we do treat patients with prostate cancer it just

depends on what course of treatment they're on currently so once we had screen the patients and and deemed them to be a candidate we reviewed the patient we review in detail the procedure with the patient so you want

to let them know that it's a our angiogram procedure that will go through the either the growing or sometimes the radio and the procedure itself you can take anywhere from one for one to four hours and sometimes longer depending on

how complicated their arteries feeding the prosthetist more importantly we want to educate them about the side effects okay we have to let them know that a lot of their symptoms might actually worsen during the first few days after the

procedure so if they have the Syria now urinary continence they actually may get really worse especially for the first few days okay we have to go over the complication with the patients that can include a public infection ischemia or

any vessel related complications that pseudoaneurysm or bleeding so we have to basically have a basic knowledge of how do we combat this side effects and these are just some of the list of side effects that

are mentioning or at least we also used a PI radium it helps I guess to numb up the prostate urethra we have to educate the patient that this can change the color of the urine so we always make a note to our patients that if you are

going to take this medication please call us that way we don't kind of shock you and we also know that the change of color is from the pair radium and not from anything else the tripping or oxybutynin

it helps reduce bladder spasm we would normally use it for a patient who go somewhere to Foley our patients would go some Foley tends to have a great degree of bladder spasm Coley's a lot of spatially get constipated for multiple

reasons being better that or they and she is soft and there's also the over-the-counter azem so this is just a sum of the standard medications that we would give all our patients all of them will get about cipro for seven days

we'll give them some type of anti-inflammatory Asia usually is ibuprofen were prescribed 800 a tid if needed anti-acids since it's just to protect your belly or their stomach from the ibuprofen minimum we'll get a stool

softener at least for the first three days or if they got developed loose toast and we would ask them to stop it and the medications for pain that we would get them as Norco just in case and I would say like more than half these

patients don't even need Norco at best they'll probably use ibuprofen you know just to minimize the inflammatory side effects that I get it also helps out with post embolization that sometimes we'll get and I believe so I don't I'm

not sure if I'm messing about post embolization syndrome patient do can get these symptoms and a lot of symptoms can vary they can get some body slug or fever malaise and the degree the symptoms were may bear from patient to

patient and a lot of symptoms are described kind of like a flu-like symptoms and we also want to reiterate a patient that the symptoms are temporary and it should get better over to at least at first week or so so patients on

warfarin we have a lot of patients on warfarin for whatever reason whether they had a recent cardiac intervention we want to assure that we stop those medications at least before the edge ground procedure so it's very important

that you have a good rapport or whoever and have prescribed him the coumadin whether it's a cardiologist or the surgical team and a lot of dissipation may need to be crossover outside like a short-acting

anticoagulation such as Lobo Knox at least in our practice we ask the patient to this condition discontinue your aspirin unless they're you know they have a recent cardiac intervention we may leave it leave them

on aspirin metformin as very important since we did it is a natural procedure we want to at least hold have the patient hold the metformin the morning of the procedure and maybe a couple of days after and someone who are

allergic to contrasts we will make sure that we're prepared to premedicate a patient and also be prepared in case there's a severe reaction and the pre medication as we know will give them some type of a standard metal prednisone

will they'll take it like twelve seven or one hour before and they also gets unbearable and preoperatively or one hour before the procedure and during the clinic we also determine the level of anesthesia so since this procedure

usually takes a long time we always get it with our anesthesia team is just more for patient comfort it's not really for pain okay I couldn't imagine laying a table for several hours at the time so we all shop anesthesia on board just

really for patient comfort so we're just

different applications renal ablation is very common when do we use it

high surgical risk patients primary metastatic lesions some folks are actually refused surgery nowadays and saying I'll have a one centimeter reno lesion actually want this in lieu of surgery people have

familial syndromes they're prone to getting a renal cancer again so we're trying to preserve renal tissue it is the most renal parenchymal sparing modality and obviously have a single kidney and a lot of these are found

incidentally when they're getting a CT scan for something else here's a very sizable one the patient that has a cardiomyopathy can see how big the heart is so it's you know seven centimeter lesion off of the left to superior pole

against the spleen this patient wouldn't have tolerated bleeding very much so we went ahead and embolized it beforehand using alcohol in the pide all in a coil and this is what it looks like when you have all those individual ice probes all

set up within the lesion and you can see the ice forming around I don't know how well it projects but in real time you can determine if you've developed your margin we do encompass little bit of spleen with that and you can see here

that you have a faint rim surrounding that lesion right next to the spleen and that's the necrotic fat that's how you know that you got it all and just this ablation alone caused a very reactive pleural

effusion that you can see up on the CT over there so imagine how this patient would have tolerated surgery pulmonary

are in the room here's a case of an 80

year old with a previous mi had a left hand are directing me and it's gonna go for a coronary bypass graft but they want this carotid stenting significant card accenting lesion to be treated first there's the non-invasive blow

through this but there's the lesion had a prior carotid endarterectomy so had that surgery we talked about first but at the proximal and distal ends of that patch has now a stone osis from the surgical fix that's developed so we

don't want to go back in surgically that's a high resolution we want for a transfer Merle approach and from there here's what it looks like an geographically mimics what we saw on the CT scan you can see the the marker and

the external carotid artery on the right that's the distal balloon and then proximally in the common carotid artery and they're noted there and then when you inflate the balloons you can see them inflated in the second image in the

non DSA image that's the external carotid room carotid artery balloon that's very proximal the common carotid balloon is below or obscured by the shoulders and ultimately when you inflate the common carotid balloon you

just have stagnant blood flow then we treat them you can see both balloons now and the external carotid and common carotid in place we have our angioplasty balloon across the lesion and then ultimately a stent and this is what it

looked like before this is what it looks like after and tolerated this quite well and we never had risk of putting the patient for dis Lombok protection or to salamba lusts overall I'm not gonna go over this real

and then getting back to really where the rubber hits the road you know we can do all of these fancy techniques why

does it matter well Constantin cope one of the fathers of IR is certainly the pioneer of lymphatic interventions and over subsequent five publications in the mid 90s really showed the the technical

build as well as the feasibility of imaging lymphatics putting a needle into them and then starting to be able to embolize them and functionally curing patients who had Kyle authorities and a potential morbidity or mortality of over

50% and how did he do it well as he did his lymph angiogram and it got up to the retroperitoneum and the structure started dilating into some of the central structures such as the cisterna chyli he would take that 21 gauge needle

and go after that structure put a needle into him pass a wire that wire would pass into the central lymphatic circulation and then he'd be able to put in a micro catheter Neff set machan visa or whatever inner inner

components and then do central and faint geography as well as potential and fame gia embolization so that would be the general antegrade trains abdominal access this was a traditional access that was done for over a decade more

recently a lot of authors have started focusing on doing retrograde trans venous access which you do basically a PICC line axis on the left arm and you take a sauce catheter to where the thoracic duct dumps into the veins and

you catheterize it backwards and just kind of showing you and get your sheath down or you can put a wire from below and then snare and come across it so that's a retrograde transvenous and finally the direct train cervical access

and some patients who you never see another target you can potentially access this under ultrasound or if you have fluoroscopy and some contrast in there in this case we put our wire retrograde and were able

to complete the case and you see of the lymphatic fluid leaking out in this case as well so those are your three main ways to access the central lymphatics

24 year old patient after a car accident has lower abdominal pain and melena so blood coming out of the rectum here's the CT scan anyone want to take a stab but you can just shout it out

so this time we're looking at the liver right so the liver is the big thing on the right side of the screen and what you can see is the dark hematoma posterior to the liver but you should also notice that big white dots sitting

right in the hematoma all right that's important because that's active bleeding that's the report when you guys when you guys get called in for these cases and someone says oh this you know liver trauma with active

bleeding this is the picture that is spurring that announcement okay this is what active bleeding and the liver looks like again there's a bleeding scale there's an injury scale for a liver trauma we don't need to go into that

slides are available if you want them alright here is the angiogram now again my rule works all right if you see vessels get smaller and then big again something's abnormal so in this particular picture I want you to notice

the catheter sitting in the right hepatic artery the blood is going up into the right lobe of the liver and right near the top of the pictures that big circular kind of blobby thing now this is by definition extravasation

sometimes we use the term pseudoaneurysm to describe this I just want you to appreciate what a pseudoaneurysm means it means that there's a hole in the artery that contrasts or blood is leaking out of that hole and the body is

essentially constraining the bleeding it's not going all over the place it's being constrained that's what we call a pseudoaneurysm all right that's just one way to look at it and geographically so this is an injury to the artery blood is

leaking out of the artery but maybe one layer of a three-layered blood vessel or even just the surrounding tissue is constraining that bleeding alright so what do we want to do for this exactly exactly you're getting it all right so

here we can get our microcatheter all the way out there the closer we get to it the better now in end organs like the liver or the kidney we don't actually have to get all the way out there getting close to it's going to be good

enough but the closer we get to it the better for stopping the bleeding and preserving the function of that organ all right so look how close we literally got right into the injury and then we're able to embolize it that's the goal all

right now the liver is a nice place the treat because as you know there's two sets of blood vessels going to the liver there's the portal veins in the apat ik artery so if we just embolize a little a patek artery the

liver is not going to notice that at all because it still has the portal venous flow bringing blood to that liver but our goal is to get in there preserve as much of the liver that we can and address that injury okay here's another

patient who experienced the heart attack who had right little quadrant pain after a cardiac catheterization all you like oh so here's the cat scan and what you should appreciate there is in the front of that first image which is the axial

image all right you can see the hematoma that's brewing kind of in the front you notice how all these pictures kind of look the same that's the good part about giving a lecture on bleeding and trauma because they all kind of look the same

so that's the hematoma on the front part of the pelvis and on the on the right image which is more of a coronal like looking at the patient image you can see it right near the right groin you can see that hematoma all right so our next

step was to do an angiogram and this is what the angiogram looks like who wants to volunteer what do they say all right I saw someone raise his hand over here some walk over here what do you think yeah well yes so it is a retro hematoma

would you say describe the angiogram for everybody right where it's at the external iliac down the common femoral looks like there's contrast going up to the left and down to the right probably close to where they accessed yeah

probably but so yeah probably probably too high but the other thing is that's probably a pseudoaneurysm that probably is the evidence that there was a bleed there we're not seeing Frank extrapolation of contrast in a literally

contrast pouring out but we are seeing the effects of an injury to the artery and the constraining of the the remaining normal tissue to hold on to that bleed so the question is what do we want to do no that was very good because

I fooled you it's not always embolization so sorry I lied so in today's world a lot of times when we see this type of pathology we have again relatively new technology available to us again we

could go into that pseudoaneurysm and embolize it and that would be a legitimate treatment but my friend here is right you know this is a great case for a covered stent so we could go in and put a stent right across that area

of injury and stent it so these days looking at coverage stands as an option for patients with arterial injury is a very legitimate option you just have to be able to deliver it has to be the right artery you have to be able to get

the stent where it needs to go we all work with vascular surgeons who are great and they can put these stents and iliacs and aortas but they can't make those turns into livers and kidneys and spleens it's got to be the right artery

this is this is the right artery okay we saw this patient and we said well we could kind of get a micro catheter into that area of injury and embolize it or we could just put a cover sent across it and all go home to have dinner with our

kids so that was option B is what we chose here so this is a great cover stent case okay here's another patient

I like to talk about brain infarc after Castro its of its year very symbolic a shoe and my name is first name is a shorter and probably you cannot remember my first name but probably you can remember my email address and join ovation very easy 40 years old man presenting with hematemesis and those coffee shows is aphasia verax and gastric barracks and how can i use arrow arrow on the monitor no point around yes so so you can see the red that red that just a beside the endoscopy image recent bleeding at the gastric barracks

so the breathing focus is gastric paddocks and that is a page you're very X and it is can shows it's a page of Eric's gastric barracks and chronic poor vein thrombosis with heaviness transformation of poor vein there is a spline or inertia but there is no gas drawer in urgent I'm sorry tough fast fast playing anyway bleeding focus is gastric barracks but in our hospital we don't have expert endoscopist

for endoscopy crew injections or endoscopic reinjection is not an option in our Hospital and I thought tips may be very very difficult because of chronic Peruvian thrombosis professors carucha tri-tips in this patient oh he is very busy and there is a no gas Torino Shanta so PRT o is not an option so we decided to do percutaneous there is your embolization under under I mean there are many ways to approach it

but under urgent settings you do what you can do best quickly oh no that's right yes and and this patience main program is not patent cameras transformation so percutaneous transit party approach may have some problem and we also do transit planning approach and this kind of patient has a splenomegaly and splenic pain is big enough to be punctured by ultrasonography and i'm a tips beginner so I don't like tips in this difficult

case so transplanting punch was performed by ultrasound guidance and you can see Carolus transformation of main pervane and splenorenal shunt and gastric varices left gastric we know officios Castries bezier varices micro catheter was advanced and in geography was performed you can see a Terrell ID the vascular structure so we commonly use glue from be brown company and amputee cyanoacrylate MBC is mixed with Italy

powder at a time I mixed 1 to 8 ratio so it's a very thin very thin below 11% igloo so after injection of a 1cc of glue mixture you can see some glue in the barracks but some glue in the promontory Audrey from Maneri embolism and angiography shows already draw barracks and you can also see a subtraction artifact white why did you want to be that distal

why did you go all the way up to do the glue instead of starting lower i usually in in these procedures i want to advance the microcatheter into the paddocks itself and there are multiple collateral channels so if i in inject glue at the proximal portion some channels can be occluded about some channels can be patent so complete embolization of verax cannot be achieved and so there are multiple paths first structures so multiple injection of glue is needed

anyway at this image you can see rigid your barracks and subtraction artifacting in the promenade already and probably renal artery or pyramid entry already so it means from one area but it demands is to Mogambo region patient began to complain of headache but american ir most american IRS care the patient but Korean IR care the procedure serve so we continue we kept the procedure what's a little headache right to keep you from completing your

procedure and I performed Lippitt eight below embolization again and again so I used 3 micro catheters final angel officio is a complete embolization of case repair ax patients kept complaining of headache so after the procedure we sent at a patient to the city room and CT scan shows multiple tiny high attenuated and others in the brain those are not calcification rapado so it means systemic um embolization Oh bleep I adore mixtures

of primitive brain in park and patient just started to complain of blindness one day after diffusion-weighted images shows multiple car brain in park so how come this happen unfortunately I didn't know that Porter from Manila penis anastomosis at the time one article said gastric barracks is a connectivity read from an airy being by a bronchial venous system and it's prevalence is up to 30 percent so normally blood flow blood in the barracks drains into the edge a

ghost vein or other systemic collateral veins and then drain into SVC right heart and promontory artery so from what embolism may have fun and but in most cases in there it seldom cause significant cranker problem but in this case barracks is a connectivity the promontory being fired a bronchial vein and then glue mixture can drain into the rapture heart so glue training to aorta and system already causing brain in fog or systemic embolism so let respectively

so my name is Paul I'm one of the nurse practitioners from UCI Irvine healthcare and what am i one of our minerals in there is basically working on patients for consultations doing the patient rounds writing notes ordering labs etc we also have several clinics that we run

at UCI Medical Center involving patients needing consultations for Libra direct therapies ablations and so forth and one of the more recent clinic that we started running is basically treating patients with BPH and so what we would

know inspiration is basically treating and regarding their symptoms and the procedures pretty much called a prostate artery embolization so the main purpose of this patient excuse me the main purpose of this

topics is basically to provide the general information of what the procedures are about illustrating indications risk and to hopefully help our nursing staff to better take care of these patients sorry so first and

foremost I just wanted to thank my team UC Irvine for allowing me to take some time off of work and enjoying Austin and its many food and object and and allowing me to speak to you guys a little bit about prostate ammo on our

pitchers basically you can't I don't know laser printer but our physicians dr. Karen Nelson she's one of our chief of IR dr. Dan through Fernando dr. Nadine a bitch day and dr. James Castro thesis

he's got daughter Kat Reese is our main doctor that does most of our process embolization our excellent iron nursing team and of course my fellow nurse practitioners who is holding the fort back home Pamela and Takara and watch

and Lou sorry but so our objectives for discussions basically to illustrate the indications and benefits of prostate artery embolization we're going to go over the side effects and risk complications associated with this

procedure and also recognize the value of nursing care going starting from the workup leading to the proper process in trot process and post procedure care sort of a brief outline of what we're gonna be

talking about we're just gonna go over the basic fundamentals of BPH as well as the treatment for PAE and the second portion of this lecture is going over how we walk patients up in clinic what we tell patients and we're gonna go

through the proper care and drop care ask well ask the post-op care and we're going to go through a couple of cases in there it's just to describe to you guys how we care for these special population

right now here's a different case is a 49 year old male who presented to the emergency department after vomiting a lot of blood vomiting was the key word there it's going the other direction so that's an upper GI bleed all right and

when we talk about upper GI bleeds there's a lot of different causes for upper GI bleeds the most common are ulcers but there's mallory-weiss tears of the esophagus there's just esophagitis or gastritis

there's different cancer vascular malformations fistula is varices which I'm not going to talk about but varices on the venous side in a patient with portal hypertension these are all causes of upper GI bleeding now

once again we might treat them medically we might look at them with endoscopy and potentially cauterize something embolization usually is used when and when endoscopy is not successful all right or certainly surgery but an upper

GI bleeds embolization is a lot more attractive of an option all right so here's another picture what do you think you up for it nope you turned me down all right who wants to who wants to tell me what they see how about you how about

you guys you can team up together what do you think so what do you seeing so let's look at that together so this is a seal EF is an anagram of the celiac axis you want to think it through you want to volunteer you see a filter we don't care

about that yeah all right that's fair so you see the catheter going up right in the middle and it's going right into the celiac axis all right what I want to draw your attention to is right in the middle of the screen a little bit over

to the left is again a blobby thing all right that's extravagant of contrast and the vessel that that's coming off of is the gastroduodenal artery so I want you to see that if you look at the catheter you

can see the shadow of the catheter right up going up from the bottom that's going into the celiac axis and the big vessel going over to the left side of the screen is the proper hepatic artery that the common hepatic artery excuse me and

the first vessel heading south from there is the gastroduodenal artery that blood vessel is supplying the end of the stomach and the beginning of the small intestine and what you see is the extravagant coming off now what it's

very important if you're dealing with bleeding patients whether it's in dusky whether it's hemoptysis or GI bleeding anything like that we're looking for that type of blob appearance which just mean the contrast is no longer

constrained by the artery it's free into space okay usually the way we were built is that the blood vessels the biggest they ever are near the heart as they leave the heart they get progressively smaller until they reach

the tips of your fingers and the tips of your toes if there's any place that you see where it gets big small then big again that's not normal okay that's not normal and now we just got to figure out what's

the abnormal part is it the small part or the big part all right in this particular case it's that big blob that's big it doesn't belong there all right but in the upper GI system there's lots of collateral vessels so we can

just go in and we can put coils right in the gastroduodenal artery and we can embolize that and we can do it safely because we know that there is alternative routes for blood to flow now the one thing we have to do here and

this is an important concept for any abnormal bleeding whether it's trauma or other causes is we always look for the backdoor so in this particular patient we did an angiogram of the superior mesenteric artery there's another vessel

going to the intestines and it's nice cuz we have the coils there you can get a sense that it's possible for blood to flow from a branch of the superior mesenteric artery backwards into the GDA and so we just want to make sure that

that's not happening because we can do the best job ever with an embolization procedure but if we don't get the front door and the back door we're gonna fail patients will come back with recurrent bleeding and at least in my experience

that's a big reason why people do come back so we think we do a great job in two or three days later people come back with abnormal bleeding it's weak because we didn't address both sides of the pathology all right so here's another

quick I did want to mention t-carr briefly and try to get you guys closer to back on time this is a hybrid procedure this is combining the surgical procedure we talked about first and carotid stenting it takes combined

carotid exposure at the base of the clavicle or just above the clavicle and reverses blood flow just like we talked about but tastes slightly different technique or approach to doing this and then you put the stent in from a drug

carotid access here's the components of the device right up by the neck there is where the incision is made just above the clavicle and you have this sheet that's about eight French in size that only goes in about us to 2 cm or 1 and a

half cm overall into the vessel and then that sheath is sutured to the the chest wall and then it's got a side arm that goes what's labeled number six here is this flow reversal urn enroute neuroprotection kit it reverses the

blood flow and then you get a femoral sheath in the vein right in the common femoral vein and you reverse the blood flow so this is a case a picture from our institution up on the right is the patient's neck and that's the carotid

exposure and the initial sheath is in place so the sidearm of that sheath is the enroute protection system which is going up up at the top of the image there we're gonna back bleed that let that sidearm of that sheath continue to

bleed up to the very top and then connect that to the common femoral venous sheet that we have in place there's a stepwise of that and then ultimately what we see at the end of the procedure is that filter inside that

little canister can be interrogated after and you can see the debris this is in the box D here on the bottom left the debris that we captured during the flow reversal and this is a what we call a passive and then active flow reversal

system so once the system is in place the direct exposure carotid sheath in place the flow controller and AV shunt in place you see the direction of blood flow so now all that blood flow in that common carotid artery is going reverse

direction and so when you place a sheath or wire and and ultimately through that sheath up by the carotid artery there's no risk for distal embolization because everything is flowing in Reverse here's a couple

case examples ferns from our institution this is a patient who had a symptomatic critical greater than 90% stenosis has tandems to nose he's so one proximal at the origin and one a little bit more distal we you can see the little

retractors down at the base of the image there in the sheath that's essentially the extent of the sheath from the bottom of that image into the vessel only about a cm or two post angioplasty instant patient tolerated that quite well here's

another 71 year-old asymptomatic patient greater than 90% stenosis pretty calcified lesion a little more extensive than maybe with the CT shows there's the angiography and then ultimately a post stent placement using the embolic

protection device and overall the trials have shown good good safety met profile overall compared to carotid surgery so it's a minimum minimal exposure not nearly as large the risk of stroke is less because you're not mucking around

up there you're using the best of a low profile system with flow reversal albeit with a mini surgical exposure overall we've actually have an abstract or post trip this year's meeting this is just a snapshot of that you can check it out

this is our one year experience we've had comparable low complication rates overall in our experience so in summary

patient female patient who has the sudden onset of upper abdominal pain here's the CT we did all these cases in one day it was crazy it was terrible so so here's a big hematoma a big peritoneal hematoma you

can see it anterior to the right kidney you can see the white blob of contrast right in the middle of the hematoma that's a pseudoaneurysm or even active extravagance um less experienced people would probably say it's active

extravagant I think most of us would prefer that it be called kind of a pseudoaneurysm this active extrapolation would be much more cloudy and spread out this is more constrained and you can see on the

coronal image you get a sense that there's that hematoma same type of problem all right is there more imaging that we can do to figure out the next step again I said earlier earlier in this lecture

that sometimes we use CTA now sometimes a CTA is worthwhile I do find that for a lot of these patients I think we're getting smarter and we're doing CTAs right at the beginning of this whole thing you know when a trauma

patient comes in we're getting CTAs so we can max out the amount of information that we get on the initial diagnostic imaging here's what we're seeing on the CTA and in this particular case I think it's pretty clear that you can see the

pseudoaneurysm arising from what looks like a branch of the superior mesenteric artery so this is just an odd visceral and Jake visceral aneurysm which looks like it probably ruptured I don't have an explanation for it led to a big

hematoma here's what that is and now we're gonna do an angiogram the neat thing is it just perfectly correlated with a conventional angiogram so here's our super mesenteric angiogram all right the supreme mesenteric artery

on the first image to the left is that vessel going downward towards the right side of the screen all those vessels coming off are really just collateral vessels going up to the liver through the gastroduodenal artery again that

left one looks pretty good it's not until you see the delayed image on the right that you see that area of contrast all right so that's the finding that correlates with the CT scan all right here we're able to get in there you put

a micro catheter in that vessel alright the key next step for this patient as I mentioned earlier is the whole concept of front door and back door so here we're technically in the front door the next thing that we do is we put the

catheter past the area of injury and now we embolize right across the injury because remember once you embolize one thing flow is gonna change we screw it up body the body wants to preserve its flow if we block flow

somewhere the body's gonna reroute blood to get to where we blocked it so we want to think ahead and we want to say okay we're blocking this vessel how's the body going to react and let's let's get in the way of that happening that's what

we did here so we saw the pathology we went past it we embolized all across the pathology and boom now we don't have anymore bleeding and the likelihood of recurrence is gonna be very low for that patient because we went all the way

across the abnormality and I think from

next is me talking about Egypt and Ethiopia and how I are how IRS practice in Egypt and Ethiopia and I think feather and Musti is gonna talk a little bit about Ethiopia as well he's got a

lot of experience about in about Ethiopia I chose these two countries to show you the kind of the the the the difference between different countries with within Africa Egypt is the 20th economy worldwide by GDP third largest

economy in Africa by some estimates the largest economy in Africa it's about a hundred million people about a little-little and about thirty percent of the population in the u.s. 15 florist's population worldwide and has

about a little over a hundred ir's right now 15 years ago they had less than ten IRS and fifteen years ago they had maybe two to three IRS at a hundred percent nowadays they're exceeding a hundred IRS so tremendous gross in the last 15 years

in the other hand Ethiopia is a very similar sized country but they only have three to five IRS that are not a hundred percent IRS and are still many of them are under training so there are major differences between countries within

within Africa countries that still need a lot of help and a lot of growth and countries that are like ten fifteen years ahead as far as as far as intervention ready intervention radiology

most of the practice in Ethiopia are basic biopsies drainages and vascular access but there is new workshops with with embolization as well as well as well as vascular access in Egypt the the ir practice is heavily into

interventional oncology and cancer that's the bulk that's the bulk of their of their practices you also get very strong neuro intervention radiology and that's mostly most of these are French trained and not

American trains so they're the neuro IRS in Egypt or heavily French and Belgian trains with with french-speaking influence but the bulk of the body iron that's not neuro is mostly cancer and it involves y9e tastes ablations high-end

ablations there's no cryoablation in Egypt there is high-end like like a nano knife reverse electric race electroporation in Egypt as well but there is no cryo you also get a specialty embolization such as fibroids

prostate and embroiders are big in Egypt they're growing very very rapidly especially prostates hemorrhoids and fibroids is an older one but it's still there's still a lot of growth for fibroid embolization zyou FES in Egypt

there's some portal portal intervention there's a lot of need for that but not a lot of IRS are actually doing portal intervention and then there's nonvascular such as billary gu there's also vascular access a lot of

the vascular access is actually done by nephrology and is not done by not not done by r is done by some high RS varicose veins done by vascular surgery and done by IRS as an outpatient there's a lot of visceral angiography as well

renal and transplants stuff so it's pretty high ends they do not do P ad very few IR s and maybe probably two IR s in the country that actually do P ad the the rest of the P ad is actually endovascular PA DS done by vascular

surgery a Horta is done all by vascular surgery and cardiothoracic surgery it's not done it's not done by IR IR s are asked just to help with embolization sometimes help with trying to get a catheter in a certain area but it's

really run by by vascular surgeons but but most more or less it's it's the whole gamut and I'm going to give you a little example of how things are different that when it comes to a Kannamma 'kz there's no dialysis work

they don't do Pfister grams they don't do D clots the reason for that is the vascular surgeons are actually very good at establishing fishless and they usually don't have a

lot of problems with it sometimes if the fistula is from Beau's door narrowed it's surgically revised they do a surgical thrombectomy because it's a lot cheaper it's a lot cheaper than balloons sheaths and and trying to and try a TPA

is very expensive it's a lot cheaper for a surgeon to just clean it out surgically and resuture it there's no there's no inventory there are no expensive consumables so we don't see dialysis as far as fistula or dialysis

conduits at all in Egypt and that's usually a trend in developed in developed countries next we'll talk

here's another patient 62 year old male

patient just a similar case who had head in that cancer again after radiation therapy who experienced some bright red blood while coughing all right here's the CT scan and what I want to draw your attention to a little tough to see I

think I'll let me go up up here point it out with a mouse well I don't have a mouse so I guess not is basically you can see right in the middle of the two lungs kind of right in front of the trachea which is the black

circle alright just go right in front of that up to the top you can see the round white circle which is the brachiocephalic artery and just projecting off the back of that is another little kind of outpouching of

contrast a little nipple coming off of of the brachiocephalic artery that doesn't belong there all right here's the angiogram and it's a little difficult to see but there is a see if I can describe it better to you alright I

think this is actually a video so I'm sorry I don't know the ability to run it unless you can click on it can you guys click on the back up so if you want to look at it again you see the angiogram kind of running and just at the origin

of the brachiocephalic artery which is the first branch of the aortic arch you can see that outpouching of contrasts coming right to the right of that vessel that's a pseudoaneurysm and again we went through the same thought process we

said you know I want to put a covered stent across that but my problem was that we didn't just have the right size that would not block one of the carotid arteries and not extend too far into the aorta so we had no choice but to

consider embolization in this particular case so here's what we did here we actually put a micro catheter if you can just click I think that's a video to the left no I guess not you know what it's okay

what we did for this particular case was we went in from the arm and we put a micro catheter directly into that pseudoaneurysm because we couldn't feel we didn't feel we could put a stent across it so we put the micro catheter

in there we started to put some coils and it actually went further than we thought outside of the artery and here's the post image so you can see our final image you can see the coils that are sitting just adjacent to the

brachiocephalic artery and we preserved good flow there to end this basically

about massive PE so let's remember this slide 25 to 65 percent mortality what do we do with this what's our goal what's

our role as interventionalists here well we need to rescue these patients from death you know this it's a coin flip that they're going to die we need to really that there's only one job we have is to save this person's life get them

out of that vicious cycle get more blood into the left ventricle and get their systemic blood pressure up what are our tools systemic thrombolysis at the top catherine directed therapy at the right and surgical level that what

unblocked me at the left as I said before the easiest thing to do is put an IV in and give systemic thrombolysis but what's interesting is it's very much underused so this is a study from Paul Stein he looked at the National

inpatient sample database and he found that patients that got thrombolytic therapy with hypotension and this is all based on icd-10 coding actually had a better outcome than those who didn't we have several other studies that support

this but you look at this and it seems like our use of thrombolytics and massive PE is going down and I think into the for whatever reason that that the specter of bleeding is really on people's minds and and for and we're not

using systemic thrombolysis as often as we should that being said there are cases in which thrombolytics are contraindicated or in which they fail and that opens the door for these other therapies surgical unblocked demand

catheter active therapy surgical unblocked mean really does have a role here I'm not going to speak about it because I'm an interventionist but we can't forget that so catheter directed therapy all sorts

of potential options you got the angio vac device over here you've got the penumbra cat 8 device here you've got an infusion catheter both here and here you've got the cleaner device I haven't pictured the inari float

Reaver which is a great new device that's entered the market as well my message to you is that you can throw the kitchen sink at these patients whatever it takes to open up a channel and get blood to the left ventricle you can do

now that being said there is the angio jet which has a blackbox warning in the pulmonary artery I will never use it because I'm not used to using it but you talk to Alan Matsumoto Zieve Haskell these guys have a lot of experience with

the androgen and PE they know how to use it but I would say though they're the only two people that I know that should use that device because it is associated with increased death within the setting of PE we don't really know you know with

great precision why that happens but theoretically what that causes is a release of adenosine can cause bradycardia bradycardia and massive p/e they just don't mix well so

know we're running a bit short on time so I want to briefly just touch about

some techniques with comb beam CT which are very helpful to us there are a lot of reasons why you should use comb beam CT it gives us the the most extensive anatomic understanding of vascular territories and the implications for

that with oncology are extremely valuable because of things like margin like we discussed here's an example of a patient who had a high AF P and their bloodstream which tells us that they have a cancer in her liver we can't see

it on the CT there but if you do a cone beam CT it stands up quite nicely why because you're giving levels of contrast that if you were to give them through a peripheral IV it would be toxic to the patient but when you're infusing into a

segment the body tolerates at the problem so patient preparation anxa lysis is key you have them exhale above three seconds prior to that there's a lot of change to how we're doing this people who are introducing radial access

power injection anywhere from about 50 to even sometimes thirty to a hundred percent contrast depends on what phase you're imaging we have a Animoto power injector that allows us to slide what contrast concentration we like a lot of

times people just rely on 30% and do their whole the case with that some people do a hundred percent image quality this is what it looks like when someone's breathing this is very difficult to tell if there's complete

lesion enhancement so if you do your comb beam CT know it looks like this this is trying to coach the patient and try to get them to hold still and then this is the patient after coaching which looks like this so you can tell that you

have a missing portion of the lesion and you have to treat into another segment what about when you're doing an angio and you do a cone beam CT NIT looks like this this is what insufficient counts looks like on comb beam so when you see

these sort of Shell station lines that are going all over the screen you have to raise dose usually in larger patients but this is you know you either slow down the acquisition speed of your comb beam or

you raise dose this is what it looks like after we gave it a higher dose protocol it really changes everything those lines are still there but they're much smaller how do you know if you have enhancement or a narrow artifact you can

repeat with non-contrast CT and give the patient glucagon and you can find the small very these small arteries that pick off the left that commonly profuse the stomach the right gastric artery you can use your comb beam CT to find

non-target evaluation even when your angio doesn't suggest it so this is a patient they have recurrent HCC we didn't angio from here those arteries down there where those coils were looked funny even though the patient was

quote-unquote coiled off we did a comb beam CT and that little squiggly C shape structures that duodenum that's contrast going in it this would be probably a lethal event for the patient or certainly would require surgery if you

treated that much with y9t reposition the catheter deeper towards the lesion and you can repeat your comb beam CT and see that you don't have an hands minh sometimes you have these little accessory left gastric artery this is

where we really need your help you know a lot of times everyone's focused and I think the more eyes the better for these kind of things but we're looking for these little tiny vessels that sometimes hop out of the liver and back into the

stomach or up into the esophagus there's a very very small right gastric artery in this picture here this patient post hepatectomy that rides along the inferior surface of the liver it's a little curly cube so and this is a small

esophageal branch so when you do comb beam TT this is what the stomach looks like when it enhances and this is what the esophagus looks like when it enhances you can do non contrast comb beam CTS to confirm ablation so you have

a lesion this is the comb beam CT for enhancement you treat with your embolic and this is a post to determine that you've had completely shin coverage and you can see how that correlates a response so the last thing we're going

higher procedures that get done in the country so they are from being basics such as being para sentences and in some

centers being quite complex in Euro work and there are centers where these none of all those that IR procedures being available so it's a very unequal distribution of provision of IR services and like I mentioned earlier on vascular

surgeons and cardiologists have basically taken over the peripheral vascular work and iogic work and other known neuro speciality such as bid early interventions for example saying that these two surgeons who are in some

remote centers who are doing their own provision as biliary basic interventions there is one neuro surgeon who went and had neuro imaging and then your interventional training who is now hundred percent doing a mural

intervention so as far as procedures go my day can be in diagnostic work and you might be dreaming you doing a paracentesis the next thing you might be doing some some I our basic IR and on the same day you might be doing a set

procedure so quite varied but not available in all centers as one would want as fine stuff goes the technology

interrupting something else getting back

to a paddock with angiography something that we're starting to look at the group at University of Pennsylvania has a publication out on this as well I looked at the liver lymphatics certainly the livers where we produce a

lot of protein it goes through the lymphatics to be returned to the circulation in patients who have heart failure they tend to have increased lymphatic flow in the liver and they think that protein lost in enteropathy

protein losing a property happens when the liver lymphatic leaks into the intestines just some images from their article you see them looking at the hepatic lymphatics there and once they had a needle in the hepatic lymphatics

they actually put her scope in and they injected blue dye and as a proof-of-concept they saw the blue dye leaking into the intestine so now that they see that the blue dye leaking the intestine they say well we can embolize

that they embolize it with some glue and that's what it looked like at the end and then the algorithm levels and all these patients return to near normal so a new a new frontier and lymphatic intervention so just to summarize

lymphatic imaging the current status you know we have very effective non-invasive as well as in vases imaging in the peripheral and central lymphatics we certainly need to this allows for improved diagnosis and once we have

these diagnostic capabilities we were able to come up with these novel treatments for these diseases that were previously untreatable we still don't have good ways to consistently visualize the paddocks invasively and then and

non-invasively it would be great to be able to see that hepatic and intestine lymphatics cuz that's 80% of lymphatic flow so if we can find a way to image these under mr it could be a game-changer for a lot of diseases in

terms of lymphatic interventions Calla thorax interventions greater than 90% effective technical knowledge you know when I was a trainee was really centered to just a few major medical centers now it's defusing out to more places we've

certainly shown as a proof of concept the plastic bronchitis lymphatic flow disorders cattle societies and protein losing enteropathy are all treatable and we're getting emerging experience so don't be surprised if you start to see

more requests for this more patients at your centers these are uncommon disorders that's not to say that you still won't see them every once in a while the role of lymphatics in pathophysiology is still being studied

particularly in terms of heart failure transplant as well as in different cancers in the spread one of the cool stuff that we're looking at right now is actually sampling different lymphatic fluid in different areas of the body

trying to see how the different cancers may spread and/or possibilities in immunology immuno oncology thank you guys and just something I noticed a couple weeks ago in jeopardy clear body lymph continuing white blood cells body

fluid and you guys know what is limp that's your answer so thank you saying thank you to the avir committee and it's been a pleasure [Applause]

artery embolisation work so I'm going to cut through this like like fancy words so basically what happens is because an infarction of the prostate that

decreases a lot of this excuse me it did subsequent cost is shrinker prostate by decreasing tht and hopefully will she's a prostate he also has to do with the innervation and decreasing the sensitivity of the alpha-1 receptors

which actually does is actually smooth the muscle around a process allowing urine to flow freely so just to give you an example even though patient has a prostate volume 150 grams mute if we were to

shrink it just a little bit it doesn't mean that their symptoms would be relieved actually because the smooth muscle relaxation around the prostate a lot of the symptoms may actually get better so this this procedures indicated

for some of us who may be at high risk for any surgical procedure someone who's refractory to medical therapy or does not want to consume medical therapy or someone who obviously hat with a high IPSS score

the thing with PAE is obviously technically it's very challenging because as you go under proceed the artists get smaller and smaller so you have to consider the elderly who may have some atherosclerosis disease and

there's also risk of non-target embolization where we could potentially embolize the penis or the bladder or direct them as far as strict factors we want to consider patients age someone has diabetes chronic renal failure we

want to make sure that patient doesn't have any recent infection stones or any instrumentation regarding their neurological system so what are the

more rare condition that some of you may not have heard of but certainly something that wasn't familiar to me a

few years ago but basically people present by coughing up these rubbery casts of their Airways and what these rubbery casts are basically is a collection lymphatic food that's dried out and it just slowly fills in the

airways and they cough up these big things obviously an embarrassing thing to happen have happened to you at dinner can certainly affect your quality of life but I had one patient who saved who

saved a napkin and brought it to me to show me it and the clinic and I was like wow that's impressive please throw that away I believe you but you'll see patients congenital heart disease with COPD asthma tuberculosis cystic fibrosis

etc any of these patients can present with this particular issue what we found out by doing some of these mr so if we embolize these lymphatic vessels or find a way to bypass them the patients will have resolution of their symptoms and

it's an amazing change in quality of life it's only been done in adults as well as pediatrics I'll show you guys an example from the University of Michigan we did lymph and geography this gentleman was actually 500 pounds so I

couldn't do a mr on him and you see this weird tuft of lymphatic vessels right around his airway there on the left side bronchoscopy had already shown that that's where he was having his casts I was able to actually puncture him from

his neck and go retrograde he was a bit too big for me to go through the abdomen but he sees lymphatic duct looks all really fairly standard normal-looking anatomy with exception of that tuft of vessels we actually went down with a

sheath we put a stent graft a vibe on stent graft across that area we excluded those or normal vessels and his condition resolved within a month it's something he'd been living with for several years so fairly dramatic outcome

for this patient uncommonly I say we see maybe one of these patients a year but it's actually known - how to treat it and how to work it up it's very critical

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