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Introduction to Carotid Interventions | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Case 10: Peritoneal Hematoma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Case 11b: Embolizing a Pseudoaneurysm of the Brachiocephalic Artery | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 11b: Embolizing a Pseudoaneurysm of the Brachiocephalic Artery | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Massive PE | Pulmonary Emoblism Interactive Lecture
Massive PE | Pulmonary Emoblism Interactive Lecture
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Case 6: Pelvic Fracture | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 6: Pelvic Fracture | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Treatment Options- TransCarotid Artery Revascularization- TCAR | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
Treatment Options- TransCarotid Artery Revascularization- TCAR | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Post-intervention Non-invasive Tests | Determining the Endpoints of CLI Interventions
Post-intervention Non-invasive Tests | Determining the Endpoints of CLI Interventions
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Endovascular AVF creation | Twitter Case Files SIR 2019
Endovascular AVF creation | Twitter Case Files SIR 2019
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Case 8: Retroperitoneal Hematoma- Cover Stent | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 8: Retroperitoneal Hematoma- Cover Stent | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Summary of Carotid Interventions | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
Summary of Carotid Interventions | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Treatment Options- Carotid Endarterectomy (CEA) | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
Treatment Options- Carotid Endarterectomy (CEA) | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Q&A- Embolization: Trauma and Bleeding Cases | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Q&A- Embolization: Trauma and Bleeding Cases | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Aspiration Thrombectomy | Management of Patients with Acute & Chronic PE
Aspiration Thrombectomy | Management of Patients with Acute & Chronic PE
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Case 4a: Renal Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 4a: Renal Trauma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Treatment Options- CAS- Embolic Protection Device (EPD)- Proximal Protection | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
Treatment Options- CAS- Embolic Protection Device (EPD)- Proximal Protection | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Case- May Thurner Syndrome | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
Case- May Thurner Syndrome | Pelvic Congestion Syndrome
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Renal Ablation | Interventional Oncology
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Treatment Options- CAS- Embolic Protection Device (EPD)- Distal Protection | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
Treatment Options- CAS- Embolic Protection Device (EPD)- Distal Protection | Carotid Interventions: CAE, CAS, & TCAR
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Introduction- Nursing Management in Prostate Artery Embolization | Nursing Management in Prostate Artery Embolization
Introduction- Nursing Management in Prostate Artery Embolization | Nursing Management in Prostate Artery Embolization
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Case 7: Retroperitoneal Hematoma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
Case 7: Retroperitoneal Hematoma | Emoblization: Bleeding and Trauma
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Transcript

filter with a strut penetrating into the aorta, how many of you have seen something like this before?

A very large majority of you. And I'm gonna solicit an opinion from somebody, how would you deal with this? Would you get arterial access prospectively? Is there a need to do that?

Have you seen any issues with not getting arterial access? [BLANK_AUDIO] Gents? >> I would ask, how many of you have seen this aortic strut? Sorry I know, but how many of you get, of those people with your

hands raised, how many of you got arterial access prior to pulling? Interesting, okay. Has anyone ever had an arterial complication from this when they're pulling a filter out? >> Let me ask has anybody not retrieved a filter because of this?

>> Sorry back of the room sir you said? >> [INAUDIBLE] laceration of the lumbar artery [INAUDIBLE] >> So was the strut actually in the aorta and it injured the lumbar coming out or was it another strut you think that was- >> Another strut. >> Another strut. >> Okay.

I've had a similar case with a huge retroperitoneal hemorrhage that was related to just simple an IVC filter that perforated, I think it was exactly the same thing that you're telling me. >> I think small vessel injury is way more serious than large vessel injury. The wall's thinner, blah blah blah. >> Certainly, in this case we did not get arterial access. We went about it after the initial cavagram.

You can see that there's a fractured strut. Trying to get through this. A fractured strut that on the initial cavagram has extracaval, and I'm gonna have to do this. >> [INAUDIBLE] Just roll it over. >> Roll it over, got you.

That we ended up needing forceps to retrieve successfully. There was no arterial complication. We were watching patients' vitals throughout the whole time remain rock solid stable. >> Could you just go back to that case really quick.

I think you kinda glossed over, you removed the filter but you left that piece on. >> No, and I showed on this cavagram that this was extracaval so we were unable to retrieve it. >> Does anybody worry about that,

leaving behind, clearly it looks like it's extravascular. Let's assume it is, it's in the retroperitoneum. Does anybody do follow-up for that? Are you concerned about whether that strut may or may not migrate anywhere over time?

Routine follow-up, CT? Anybody? No? Okay, all right. To confirm it's extravascular, but in terms of follow-up, no?

I sorta wonder sometimes, I don't know what you guys think but these struts can definitely migrate into odd places and it's great it's extravascular's presumably not gonna end up in the heart and lungs but I don't know what you think Louie. These things can definitely migrate to other places.

>> Yeah, I agree totally that, the first thing I said is I would get cross sectional imaging afterwards, we try to determine in the room. And we've used cone beam CT at times but it hasn't always been as useful with the soft tissue reconstructions that we have

at least are algorithms at our institution. So we usually get a non-contrast CT scan. We have not to date followed them long term or longitudinally but I wonder if there was something I would see if it were near a critical structure that would maybe change my mind. I haven't seen that yet though.

>> But also raise the question. In my opinion there's some ambiguity with CT in looking at where struts are. It can be hard to tell where it is exactly in line with the cava but's it's truly extracaval. There's streak artifact,

all those things. Certainly they're complementary, CT can solve the problem that fluoroscopy can't. But in some cases, I think fluoroscopy provides a more definitive answer. >> Yes Sir. >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> How did the strut go up and out? This is how we found it. There was no prior retrieval attempt so we assumed that it was from normal caval dynamics. Certainly we've heard a lot about that through out the course of the day today but we have a very poor understanding of the cava.

I'll keep it brief but we have a very poor understanding of the cava and the way it twists, turns compressive forces and all metal fatigues at some point, and once the metal has fatigued enough it fractures.

designed a u.s. clinical study we got an investigational device exemption

actually Julie's our clinical research coordinator for this study and these are the inclusion exclusion criteria we basically excluded patients who have rheumatoid arthritis previous surgery and you had to have moderate or severe

pain so greater than 50 means basically greater than 5 out of 10 on a pain scale we use a pain scale of 0 to 100 because it allows you to delineate pain a little bit better and you had to be refractory to something so you had to fail

medications injections radiofrequency ablation you had to fail some other treatment we followed these patients for 6 months and we got x-rays and MRIs before and then we got MRIs at one month to assess for if there was any

non-target embolization likes a bone infarct after this procedure these are the clinical scales we use to assess are not really so important as much as it is we're trying to track pain and we're trying to check disability so one is the

VA s or visual analog score and on the right is the whoa max scale so patients fill this out you can assess how disabled they are from their knee pain it assesses their function their stiffness and their pain

it's a little bit limiting because of course most patients have bilateral knee pain so in trying to assess someone's function and you've improved one knee sometimes them walking up a flight of stairs may not improve significantly but

their pain may improve significantly in that knee when we did our patients these were the baseline demographics in our patients the average age was 65 and you see here the average BMI in our patients is 35 so this is on board or class 1

class 2 obesity if you look at the Japanese study the BMI in that patient that doctor okano had published the average BMI and their patient population was 25 so it gives you a big difference in the patient population we're treating

and that may impact the results how do we actually do the procedure so we palpate the knee and we feel for where the pain is so that's why we have these blue circles on there so we basically palpate the knee and figure

out is the pain medial lateral superior inferior and then we target those two Nicollet arteries and as depicted on this image there are basically 6 to Nicollet arteries that we look for 3 on the medial side 3 on the lateral side

once we know where they have pain we only go there so we're not going to treat the whole knee so people come in and say my home knee hurts they're not really going to be a good candidate for this procedure you want focal synovitis

or inflammation which is what we're looking for and most people have medial and Lee pain but there are a small subset of patients of lateral pain so this is an example patient from our study says patient had an MRI beforehand

and you can see on this t1-weighted image that increased area of enhancement which is the area of synovial thickening you actually see this on MRI beforehand and there it is located over the lateral aspect of the knee on the axial image

and so what we're doing sorry in the medial aspect of the knee so what we're doing here on the angiogram is and you solve these leg angiograms where everyone doesn't really care about these you Nicollet arteries they're really

important when you have SMA or popliteal occlusive disease because they serve as a collateral source but otherwise and people have arthritis they can be a real pain and the pain in the knee if you will so this is a this is the superior

medial geniculate artery and always drapes over the femoral condyle and you'll see here on this image you don't really see very much but once we get into the vessel look at this it almost looks like a small about a cellular

carcinoma like when you're in the liver you get this tumor type blush vascularity that's what we're looking for that corresponds to the patient's area of pain and then after embolization this is what it looks like takes a very

small embolic we're using maybe point four two point six sometimes one CC at most of dilute embolic that we're injecting this is another case again before and after if you look here on the right and then

on the left you don't really see much until you select the vessel out once you get into that super medial vessel you can see how much enhancement there is so in our clinical study of twenty patients this is what we did you'll see on the

bottom here we used embassy and 75 micron in nine patients and eleven eleven patients got a hundred micron and I'll explain why we upsized our particles so initially we wanted to go very small because that's where dr. o

Cano had done in Japan but then we wanted to actually up size our particles and I'll explain this here in our complications so like all clinical studies the purpose of doing really good clinical research is because this is

early and we don't know if they're going to be complications and it's always fun when you're the first one to figure it out and you tell patients I don't really know what's gonna happen and this is what happens so thirteen patients had

this kind of skin discoloration over their knee now we knew this because we've been doing the embolization for about ten years in bleeding patients not necessarily arthritic patients so we had seen this before but none of these

patients in this clinical study went on to have any alteration of the skin and it resolved in all patients there was some minor side effects from basically medications and one small groin hematoma but there were two patients who

developed plantar numbness over their great toe so under their great toe basically the medial distribution of their tibial nerve they ended up getting plantar numbness and this is believed at least in our experience to probably be

related to non-target embolization to the tibial nerve the tibial nerve probably gets its blood supply from many of these Jamaican arteries so we decided after having these two cases one at our institution and one at University of

North Carolina Chapel Hill that we would then basically upsize our particles to 100 micron and we have not seen that and we're doing a second clinical study and I'm not seeing that he's either we had about a 70% reduction in pain so if you

look at our visual analog score out to six months and if you look at our disability it actually paralleled this exactly which is pretty impressive considering mostly patients had bilateral knee pain so out to six months

very good results 90% of patients were responders so two out of our twenty patients did not really respond one patient didn't respond at his one month follow-up but did wrist that is three and six so I still

consider them a clinical failure because we expect these patients to respond by one month here's just an example of a baseline MRI before and after and you can see all that joint effusion there the white that decreases just even after

a month how much it decreases and we looked at this in terms of synovial thickness and distension and even on MRI you can objectively count calculate synovitis scores and we calculated that they actually statistically decreased

this is another patient on the left the image shows diffuse white enhancement if you will of the synovium of the lining on the right it shows the fluid this is an image just of embolization and I show this image because it's really shocking

and this is actually one of our nurses who's enrolled in the clinical study is this is before this is all we did we embolized the medial aspect of the knee this is one month later 30 days in fact somebody just asked me this when I was

in the booth over at the meeting across the street and basically I said listen I don't know why this happened so quickly I have no idea we didn't tap her knee we didn't do anything else if you look at this premium post it's pretty dramatic

so clearly there's an inflammatory process that we are arresting or stopping in such a short period of time so is there a future for this I don't know it may just we may just fall down and find out that there really is in a

great future but so far we know it's at least technically successful it's the results are positive in the short term long term we're not so sure yet we do need to better understand these risks and I think in my opinion in the long

term it'll probably really really good for this 40 to 65 year old patient population who's not yet ready for knee replacement surgery this is the algorithm for our clinical study which were almost done enrolling right now

it's a randomized control study against placebo so it's two to one randomization which means one third of the patients actually get a sham procedure so we do an angiogram on their leg they're asleep they have no idea for embolizing there -

Nicola arteries are not we wake them up and they get off the table and we follow them up if they're no better they're allowed to cross over and get the treatment the other 2/3 of the patient actually get the treatment and they

don't know either if they got the treatment and then we follow these patients when we assess if you if they have improvement all pain mediated procedures must undergo sham controlled studies because pain is so right in it's

so intuitive to just yourself so you can't really if there's a placebo effect so this is why pussy bow control studies are very important I believe we have one more patient left to enroll in this clinical

study and then we should be done with that so I'll switch gears really quick

I'm Nikki Jensen Nicole is what my mother calls me but that's alright thank you all for joining us today I am the clinical resource nas I work in a clinical nurse specialist position I graduated in May so I'll finally be called the clinical nurse specialist

after I passed my boards in nonvascular radiology so at Mayo Clinic Rochester we are kind of split up between I are in our IR practice where we have non vascular procedural Center CT MRI ultrasound guided procedures we'll go

over a list of our standard perform procedures as well as our neuro interventional and vascular interventional practice so Kerri and I work in the non vascular so we do not do any neuro interventional or vascular

vascular interventional procedures so these guidelines are going to focus on your LR CT or ultrasound guided procedures how many of you went to the combined session this morning great this is going to be an overview because what

we saw presented there really reiterates what we are have brought into our practice but then we're also going to share how we created nursing guidelines and how we rolled that into our practice this is Carrie Carrie is a staff nurse

in our department I worked as a staff nurse for seven years prior to this position I've been in this position now for four years and really enjoy it I do want to give a little shout-out to Carrie and I presented or sorry we

published an article in the June 28th volume 37 issue - that really coincides with our presentation today so I would encourage you to read that publication and then you'll get additional information on how we did this yes all

right we have nothing to disclose unfortunately or fortunately right so the purpose of this presentation is to help you all understand the importance of creating reviewing the literature

understanding your for one your coagulation casket as well cascade as well as anticoagulants that are out there or new up-and-coming medications and understanding that yes it's very important to establish and create these

guidelines so that within your practice you don't have differing radiologists that have differing opinions if you're working with doctor so-and-so today you need to worry about these labs if you're working with you know dr. Johnson

tomorrow he doesn't care about the labs we did this to help standardize that to help reduce the amount of questions our nurses have how many times we're interrupting our radiologists but then also we need to take into consideration

the importance of the patients and their different disease processes and we'll be going over that too so it's nice to have established guidelines but then also we need to take into consideration why patients are on certain medications this

here is our list of objectives I'm not going to read them for you you can all read them and we've provided you all with handouts too but really we want to just help kind of explain mechanism of actions and different medications and

how we established our guidelines this here is where Kari and I come from full disclosure we do have snow on the ground so these pictures were not taken before we came we are really enjoying this nice warm weather but for those of you who

are not familiar with the history of Mayo Clinic in Rochester who we have a hundred and fifty plus year tradition of implementing evidence-based care to assure the needs of our patient come first we are divided up into one

downtown campus but we have three different main areas so we have our st. Mary's Hospital this is where Kerry is based out of this is this houses most all of our ICUs as well as most all of our inpatients so we do a lot of

inpatients but we also see outpatients in this hospital Rochester Methodist Hospital this is where our he mock patients typically are we do have one ICU within Hospital as well but then right here my

office is right there this is our Mayo downtown campus so this is where most of our patients come for outside procedures or outpatient diagnostic imaging exams this here is the group that I'm part of the clinical nursing specialist group

within our clinical nursing specialist group there are 77 of us there are five like myself clinical resources as we have not graduated as of yet I'm right there in the middle w

that work in over 70 ambulatory areas in 58 inpatient areas we also support some areas in our Arizona and Florida campuses and then we have Mayo Clinic Health System hospitals that are scattered throughout Iowa

Wisconsin in Minnesota as well I am the only one in radiology across all of our

much more controversial so you it was pretty clear that we have to rescue

massive PD patients from death but with these statistics what are we supposed to do with sub massive PE well are we supposed to prevent mortality it's gonna be hard to do if the mortality is only 2 to 3% because you're trying to really

improvements of a very low statistic are you trying to reduce the rate of hemodynamic deterioration that's a possibility what about long-term disability if you remove clot upfront

will these patients do better six months one year or two years down the road frankly we don't know the answer to any of this and the reason is that the pytho trial made things quite difficult for us to interpret the pytho trial was the

trial that was going to answer all uncertainty this was a trial where it took some massive PD patients in that high-risk intermediate category and randomized them to receive a bolus of tenecteplase which is similar to TPA but

is not the same versus anticoagulation alone what did it show well it showed there was no difference in death between tenecteplase and placebo so they actually gave a placebo drug so that no it was a double blinded

study now if you look at the next line though a lot more patients decompensated if they receive the placebo than that's not to place this is not a bad thing you know it's not it's not great when you have to intubate somebody or initiate

pressors so if you can avoid that outcome that's it that's a pretty good thing so maybe it is the right thing to give systemic thrombolysis in the setting of sub massive PE problem was this the bleeding you look down here

there was an eleven percent rate of major bleeding in the tenecteplase arm there was a two percent rate of intracranial hemorrhage so now we've got this therapeutic window that's hard to interpret so we seem to be improving

outcomes from an efficacy standpoint but then we're also increasing the rate of bleeding so basically what we've sort of coalesced around is that systemic thrombolysis has a questionable risk benefit profile because the rate of

bleeding and the rate of really serious bleeding is makes us nervous so is that an opportunity for catheter director thrombolysis and I'll call this the poster child for Catherine throwing license if this is how it worked every

time we might have a homerun so this is gentleman looked terrible well still in the sub massive category but breathing at 35 times a minute hypoxic had his main PA systolic pressure of 60

millimeters of mercury you look over here and there's this large clot in the right upper lobe go to the left side and then there's all this clot in the left lower lobe as well so what do we do we put in bilateral infusion catheters this

can be an E Coast catheter it can be a standard catheter these areyou nafeez catheters have side holes starting from here and ending it's hard to see but there's another radiopaque marker somewhere down there on this side there

and somewhere over there and between those markers you have multiple side holes and those are put up inside the clot so you're dripping TPA at a rate of about 0.5 to 1 milligram per hour and you're getting it directly into the

clock that's the theory and so after 20 to 24 hours of that you know you're given 20 to 24 milligram of TPA that's compared to 50 or a hundred that you get was sitting with systemic thrombolysis you get something

that looks like this where the pulmonary arteries look pristine the PA still the systolic pressures come down the patient feels great now the skeptic would look at this and say well if you just tried some heparin and you just infuse saline

would you have the same result and frankly if you were to conduct the experiment you might find something interesting or not interesting but we never have conducted that experiment but you know I'll tell you a little bit

about the ultimate trial if I have time I don't want to go to overtime though

similar but similar story an older patient who presented for a biopsy of a right renal mass now sometimes it's a skiing accident sometimes it's a car accident sometimes it's us that causes

these problems so here's a patient who came in for a biopsy of a renal mass here's the CT scan hopefully you can appreciate that the patient is face down or prone on this scan this by the spine is on the top side you can see our

biopsy needle going into a mass in the left kidney excuse me the right kidney and now this is the she comes back later because of some pain and now in a manner that's similar to what you said earlier on that first CT scan you can now see

the right kidney is pushed forward by a very large retroperitoneal hematoma so this is probably a post biopsy bleed this doesn't happen very often in fact as someone who does kidney biopsies once or twice every day I'm shocked that this

doesn't happen more often we're sticking big needles into vascular organs or vascular masses it's amazing that we don't have more patients come back for this it only happens about 2% of the time and usually people who have these

types of risk factors are at risk for this type of bleeding after a biopsy but we can do is we can go in do an angiogram and again I want you to just appreciate look at the picture I think everyone hopefully can see on the bottom

of the picture there's this active extrav enough contrast from the lower pol renal arteries all right lo pol renal artery and that's bad if it's great in a lecture because it's very easy for everyone to see but the reality

is it really signifies very significant bleeding and that's what everyone here should appreciate if you're managing the trauma patient or the bleeding patient if you see if this Cleary this clearly means everyone's got to move a little

faster to address it because this is a bad bleed but the great news is that we have the technology now to go all the way into the renal arteries or frankly the arteries of any organ get very far distant land just embolize it and so

look how far we got here for this patient we took care of it this patients kidney function didn't pump an inch because the reality is there was very little impact on the normal parts of the kidney so that's the goal if you guys

work with people who say oh we don't have to get that far out just throw some coils you know near the origin it's fine it'll accomplish the same goal but at the same time they will have killed half of the patients kidney so it is always

worth making some effort to get as far as you can into the organ that you're treating but at the same time you don't want to take an hour to do that because the patient's bleeding pretty heavily and you have to address it so that's our

goal during these procedures next case

my last case here you have a 54 year old patient recent case who had head and neck cancer who presents with severe bleeding from a tracheostomy alright for some bizarre reason we had two of these

in like a week all right kind of crazy so here's the CT scan you can see the asymmetry of the soft tissue this is a patient who had had a neck cancer was irradiated and hopefully what you can notice on the

right side of the screen is the the large white circles of contrast which really don't belong there they were considered to be pseudo aneurysms arising from the carotid artery all right that's evidence of a bleed he was

bleeding out of his tracheostomy site so here's a CTA I think the better image is the image on the right side of the screen the sagittal image and you can see the carotid artery coming up from the bottom and you can see that round

circle coming off of the carotid artery you guys see that so here's the angiogram all that stuff that is to the right to the you know kind of posterior to the right of the screen there it doesn't belong there that's just

contrast that's exiting the carotid artery this is a carotid blowout we'll call it okay just that word sounds bad all right so that's bad so another question right what do you want to do here

I think embolization is reasonable but probably not the thing we can do the fastest to present a patient to treat a patient is bleeding out of the tracheostomy site so in this particular case this is a great covered stent case

alright and here's what it looked like after so we can go right up and just literally a cover sent right across the origin of that pseudoaneurysm and address the patient's bleeding alright

I was tasked or asked to give a talk on carotid interventions and and there's actually been some change you know I've given to carotid talks over the years I've been doing this now eleven years at the Medical College and there wasn't a lot of innovation for a period of time

and then there's been a sudden kind of tic upwards with the last acronym here t car so we're gonna talk about these three ceac s and T car how many other room are involved with carotid stenting at the local institution I'm gonna do T

car all right so it's not gonna be brand new that's great but there's still I think for some of you pardon me an opportunity to kind of see a new device that's been brought to market over the last few years so with

that what are we gonna talk about these are the objectives it's not really gonna be a data talk this is not the intent I wanna bore you with data there will be a little bit of just sort of what's the purpose for why we do things you know

and percentage of what not but I'm not gonna go through clinical trials the intent here is really to discuss the three main treatment options for carotid occlusive disease and then review the indications for intervention so why

would we treat to symptomatic asymptomatic and then finally review the the endovascular devices or the approaches in general for carotid artery stenting in a strictly endovascular environment or in a hybrid environment

which is what the t'car device is so why

my co-presenter and colleague anne mccaffrey couldn't be here this morning she recently had a baby and was not cleared to fly just yet so I will be presenting by myself wish you were here so where we began we were seeing an average of 20 to 25 outpatient

outpatients a day between multiple services vascular I our neuro interventional neuroradiology our procedures were often delayed due to lack of recovery space to move post procedure patients into several 6-hour

recoveries mostly our angiograms and our kidney biopsies would take about half to two-thirds of the available recovery space for most of the day so as you can see we did not have a lot of space for the amount of procedures that we were

performing room utilization was at a high of a hundred and twelve percent q four that's because we were doing bedside procedures on impatience as well and we were performing procedures in our recovery room too that's what we look

like so our service rapidly expanded over the past five years and created multiple problems long scheduling delays led to a delay in diagnosis and treatment for patients which led to unhappy patients and unhappy refers

located in a major metropolitan area with many major academic medical centers led to a lot of competition and we didn't want our internal referrers to send their patients to other centers prolonged hospital stays for our

inpatients led to delayed discharge until vascular access was obtained or feeding tubes were inserted and then for staffing our staff our staff was unhappy with the frequently man √łt and leadership was unhappy with the

increased staffing costs so for our

my talk is titled extremely obvious IR and I think as we move through these slides you guys are going to be able to pick up really quickly on why I elected for that title so this is a patient this is a 67 year old male he had an Evo repair in 2014 in 2015 he

underwent two repairs for persistent type 2 endo leak and this was done via transsexual approach in 2018 we got a CTA that demonstrated an enlarging aneurysm sac so here's just some key critical images from the CT I had the CT

and its entirety today but I had to like panic dump a lot of slides off of my powerpoint I'm always the girl at the airport that you see transferring things from one suitcase to the other like right when it's about to get onto the

airplane so what do we notice about where we see the contrast in these in these images so is it anterior is it posterior anyone its anterior so what if I told you that we see contrast in the anterior sac but this patient has an

included ima where is it coming from so we get the CTA we see any large aneurysm sac we see it an endo leak we bring them into clinic we go through the routine things the patient denies abdominal pain they deny back pain and so we go ahead

and all of our infinite wisdom and we schedule them for a trans cable approach to repair what we call a type 2 and delete now one of the most the most important key sentences from the workup is we say this is likely a type 2 in the

leak but a feeding vessel is not identified okay so our usual algorithm at UVA if we get a patient we do a CTA we bring we see any sort of endo leak if we cannot identify a feeding vessel usually what we do and you can let me

know if this is the same at your practice or if it's different we'll bring them in and we'll do some dynamic imaging from an arterial approach and we'll try to see you know is it really type 2 can we identify a feeding vessel

and oftentimes what happens in those situations is you you identify oh it is a type 2 we just see where it was from and we're gonna have to bring them back and we're gonna have to put them prone and we're gonna

have to stick the stack directly so we thought we were gonna outsmart it this time like we we were gonna just identify that it was typed to you right from the get-go do I have the play button or do you have the play button awesome all

right so this is our trans cable access so what we're doing these days to do our trans cable access and our fenestrations is we're actually using a t lab kit so we're using the transjugular liver biopsy sheath and we're putting our

65-centimetre cheap a needle through that so everything's going great so far we see our sheath in access goes smoothly I might have gone for two slides can you hit the I'm not sure yeah go ahead and hit that nope go ahead and

go one for slide and then just play that video for me yes please awesome so this happens pretty quickly can you play that video again and just keep playing it through on a loop and so we do an injection from our microcatheter from

our trans cable approach and what do you guys noticing where are you noticing the contrast tracking yeah in the red circle [Music] it is now right so everybody at UVA is is a proficient Monday Morning

Quarterback let me tell you so we see the contrast tracking down outside of the iliac limb so now we're all going okay can you go ahead all right go ahead and play this video all right so we get access into the femoral artery

just to make sure because at this point we're hoping against hope we haven't put this on the patient we haven't put this patient on the table MANET made a trans cable puncture only to identify that this patient does in fact have a type 1

B in delete but our arterial access proved that is exactly what we did the junction of the yes we did we did a trans cable puncture to identify that it was a junction leak so that's a problem right because we have

this action going on right so we have a trans cable puncture as dr. Haskell just adapt ly summarized we have a trans cable puncture we've done nothing so far but identify that this patient has the type 2 in a week so it is a micro

catheter right it's just it's just a party foul and then it was the fellow's dream because you pull out and there's nothing to hold pressure on there's nobody's dream at that point so I want to stop here and I want to just take a

moment you guys can live my psych at night so do you ever your so my normal algorithm for my patient since I come in in the morning I look at the patient's chart I review their prior imaging and I try to

do all of these things before looking at my attendings plan because one of the things that I realized is that challenges me to try to figure out what's my plan for the patient what do I think the most appropriate inventory

would be and every once in a while you see something in the plan that doesn't quite jive and you're like there's this is likely a type 2 in the league although a feeding vessel is not identified so I have two options at this

point I either walk down to the reading room and I say hey someone tell me what's going on we don't identify that type - is it worth doing a diagnostic imaging or anyway I just roll with it and this

was a day where I elected to roll with it and so I just want to take a moment and reiterate it's always important for all of us to you know you have a voice and use it and you want to bring up these

things that's sometimes we all start going through the motions where you work with someone that you trust a lot it's really easy to say like Oh someone's smarter than me caught that right so going back it's like it's like that

terrible joke what is the radiologists favorite plant the hedge mmm that's what that is it's like well it could be but it might be and ray'll right you go ahead and play this so this is just our walk of shame as

we're casually embolizing our track out of our trans cable approach and here we are back in clinic so again this is a 67 year old manual with recent angiogram that demonstrates significant type 1b endo leak and we plan for an extension

of the left aortic lab so we bring the patient back we do a standard comment from our artery approach we get into the internal iliac we identify the iliolumbar all kit all standard things we drop an amp at Sur plug to prevent

any sort of further type to end a leak into the limb that we go ahead and extend we put in the iliac limb we balloon it open we'll go ahead and play this video and our follow-up angiogram reveals a resolved type to end a week so

ultimately we did it so what are

patient female patient who has the sudden onset of upper abdominal pain here's the CT we did all these cases in one day it was crazy it was terrible so so here's a big hematoma a big peritoneal hematoma you

can see it anterior to the right kidney you can see the white blob of contrast right in the middle of the hematoma that's a pseudoaneurysm or even active extravagance um less experienced people would probably say it's active

extravagant I think most of us would prefer that it be called kind of a pseudoaneurysm this active extrapolation would be much more cloudy and spread out this is more constrained and you can see on the

coronal image you get a sense that there's that hematoma same type of problem all right is there more imaging that we can do to figure out the next step again I said earlier earlier in this lecture

that sometimes we use CTA now sometimes a CTA is worthwhile I do find that for a lot of these patients I think we're getting smarter and we're doing CTAs right at the beginning of this whole thing you know when a trauma

patient comes in we're getting CTAs so we can max out the amount of information that we get on the initial diagnostic imaging here's what we're seeing on the CTA and in this particular case I think it's pretty clear that you can see the

pseudoaneurysm arising from what looks like a branch of the superior mesenteric artery so this is just an odd visceral and Jake visceral aneurysm which looks like it probably ruptured I don't have an explanation for it led to a big

hematoma here's what that is and now we're gonna do an angiogram the neat thing is it just perfectly correlated with a conventional angiogram so here's our super mesenteric angiogram all right the supreme mesenteric artery

on the first image to the left is that vessel going downward towards the right side of the screen all those vessels coming off are really just collateral vessels going up to the liver through the gastroduodenal artery again that

left one looks pretty good it's not until you see the delayed image on the right that you see that area of contrast all right so that's the finding that correlates with the CT scan all right here we're able to get in there you put

a micro catheter in that vessel alright the key next step for this patient as I mentioned earlier is the whole concept of front door and back door so here we're technically in the front door the next thing that we do is we put the

catheter past the area of injury and now we embolize right across the injury because remember once you embolize one thing flow is gonna change we screw it up body the body wants to preserve its flow if we block flow

somewhere the body's gonna reroute blood to get to where we blocked it so we want to think ahead and we want to say okay we're blocking this vessel how's the body going to react and let's let's get in the way of that happening that's what

we did here so we saw the pathology we went past it we embolized all across the pathology and boom now we don't have anymore bleeding and the likelihood of recurrence is gonna be very low for that patient because we went all the way

across the abnormality and I think from

know we're running a bit short on time so I want to briefly just touch about

some techniques with comb beam CT which are very helpful to us there are a lot of reasons why you should use comb beam CT it gives us the the most extensive anatomic understanding of vascular territories and the implications for

that with oncology are extremely valuable because of things like margin like we discussed here's an example of a patient who had a high AF P and their bloodstream which tells us that they have a cancer in her liver we can't see

it on the CT there but if you do a cone beam CT it stands up quite nicely why because you're giving levels of contrast that if you were to give them through a peripheral IV it would be toxic to the patient but when you're infusing into a

segment the body tolerates at the problem so patient preparation anxa lysis is key you have them exhale above three seconds prior to that there's a lot of change to how we're doing this people who are introducing radial access

power injection anywhere from about 50 to even sometimes thirty to a hundred percent contrast depends on what phase you're imaging we have a Animoto power injector that allows us to slide what contrast concentration we like a lot of

times people just rely on 30% and do their whole the case with that some people do a hundred percent image quality this is what it looks like when someone's breathing this is very difficult to tell if there's complete

lesion enhancement so if you do your comb beam CT know it looks like this this is trying to coach the patient and try to get them to hold still and then this is the patient after coaching which looks like this so you can tell that you

have a missing portion of the lesion and you have to treat into another segment what about when you're doing an angio and you do a cone beam CT NIT looks like this this is what insufficient counts looks like on comb beam so when you see

these sort of Shell station lines that are going all over the screen you have to raise dose usually in larger patients but this is you know you either slow down the acquisition speed of your comb beam or

you raise dose this is what it looks like after we gave it a higher dose protocol it really changes everything those lines are still there but they're much smaller how do you know if you have enhancement or a narrow artifact you can

repeat with non-contrast CT and give the patient glucagon and you can find the small very these small arteries that pick off the left that commonly profuse the stomach the right gastric artery you can use your comb beam CT to find

non-target evaluation even when your angio doesn't suggest it so this is a patient they have recurrent HCC we didn't angio from here those arteries down there where those coils were looked funny even though the patient was

quote-unquote coiled off we did a comb beam CT and that little squiggly C shape structures that duodenum that's contrast going in it this would be probably a lethal event for the patient or certainly would require surgery if you

treated that much with y9t reposition the catheter deeper towards the lesion and you can repeat your comb beam CT and see that you don't have an hands minh sometimes you have these little accessory left gastric artery this is

where we really need your help you know a lot of times everyone's focused and I think the more eyes the better for these kind of things but we're looking for these little tiny vessels that sometimes hop out of the liver and back into the

stomach or up into the esophagus there's a very very small right gastric artery in this picture here this patient post hepatectomy that rides along the inferior surface of the liver it's a little curly cube so and this is a small

esophageal branch so when you do comb beam TT this is what the stomach looks like when it enhances and this is what the esophagus looks like when it enhances you can do non contrast comb beam CTS to confirm ablation so you have

a lesion this is the comb beam CT for enhancement you treat with your embolic and this is a post to determine that you've had completely shin coverage and you can see how that correlates a response so the last thing we're going

let me show you a case of massive PE

this launched our pert pert PE response team 30 year-old man transcranial resection of a pituitary tumor post-op seizures intracranial frontal lobe hemorrhage okay so after his brain surgery developed a frontal lobe

hemorrhage and of course few days after that developed hypotension and hypoxia and was found to have a PE and this is what the PE look like so I'll go back to this one that's clot in the IVC right there and

that's clot in the right main pulmonary artery on this side clot in the IVC clot in the right main pulmonary artery systolic blood pressure was around 90 millimeters of mercury for about an hour he was getting more altered tachycardic

he was in the 120s at this point we realized he was not going the right direction for some reason the surgeon didn't want to touch him still to this day not sure why but that was the case he was brought to the ir suite and I had

a great Mickey attending who came with him and decided to start him on pressors and basically treat him like an ICU patient while I was trying to get rid of his thrombus so it came from the neck because I was conscious of this clot in

the IVC and I didn't want to dislodge it as I took my catheters past it and you see the Selective pulmonary and on selective pulmonary angiogram here and there's some profusion to the left lung and basically none to the right lung

take a sheath out to the right side and do an injection that you see all this cast of thrombus you really see no pulmonary perfusion here you can understand why at this point this man is not doing well what I did at this point

was give a little bit of TPA took a pigtail started trying to spin it through aspirated a little bit wasn't getting anywhere he was actually getting worse I was starting to feel very very nervous I had remembered for my AV

fistula work that there was this thing called the cleaner I don't have any stake in the company but I said you know I don't have a lot to lose here and I thought maybe this would be better than me trying to spin a pigtail through

the clock so the important thing about the cleaners it does not go over a wire so you have to take the sheet out then take out the wire then put the cleaner through that sheath and withdraw the sheath

you can't bareback it especially in the pulmonary circulation the case reports are poking through the pulmonary artery and causing massive hemorrhage and the pulmonary artery does not have an adventitia which is the outer layer just

a little bit thinner than your average artery okay so activated it deployed it and you started to get better and this is what it looked like at the end now this bonus question does somebody see anything on this this picture here that

made me very happy on this side this picture here that made me feel like hey we're getting somewhere I'm sorry the aorta the aorta you start to see the aorta exactly and that that was something I was not seen before the

point being that even though this doesn't look that good in terms of your final image the fact that you see filling in the aorta and mine it might have been some of the stuff I had done earlier I can't I can't pinpoint which

of the interventions actually worked but that's what I'm looking for I'm looking for aortic blood flow because now I've got a hole in that in that clot that's getting blood flow to the left ventricle which starts to reverse that RV

dysfunction that we were concerned about make sure I'm okay with time so we'll

here's another patient 62 year old male

patient just a similar case who had head in that cancer again after radiation therapy who experienced some bright red blood while coughing all right here's the CT scan and what I want to draw your attention to a little tough to see I

think I'll let me go up up here point it out with a mouse well I don't have a mouse so I guess not is basically you can see right in the middle of the two lungs kind of right in front of the trachea which is the black

circle alright just go right in front of that up to the top you can see the round white circle which is the brachiocephalic artery and just projecting off the back of that is another little kind of outpouching of

contrast a little nipple coming off of of the brachiocephalic artery that doesn't belong there all right here's the angiogram and it's a little difficult to see but there is a see if I can describe it better to you alright I

think this is actually a video so I'm sorry I don't know the ability to run it unless you can click on it can you guys click on the back up so if you want to look at it again you see the angiogram kind of running and just at the origin

of the brachiocephalic artery which is the first branch of the aortic arch you can see that outpouching of contrasts coming right to the right of that vessel that's a pseudoaneurysm and again we went through the same thought process we

said you know I want to put a covered stent across that but my problem was that we didn't just have the right size that would not block one of the carotid arteries and not extend too far into the aorta so we had no choice but to

consider embolization in this particular case so here's what we did here we actually put a micro catheter if you can just click I think that's a video to the left no I guess not you know what it's okay

what we did for this particular case was we went in from the arm and we put a micro catheter directly into that pseudoaneurysm because we couldn't feel we didn't feel we could put a stent across it so we put the micro catheter

in there we started to put some coils and it actually went further than we thought outside of the artery and here's the post image so you can see our final image you can see the coils that are sitting just adjacent to the

brachiocephalic artery and we preserved good flow there to end this basically

something some case examples of where I use cryoablation right so this is a

patient who has a nodule in the in the back of their lungs in the right lower lobe and basically I'll place two probes into that notch on either side of Brackett the lesion and then three months later fall up you can see a nice

resolution of that nodule so when it comes to lung a couple things I'll mention is if the nodule is greater than eight millimeters I'll immediately go to two probes I want to make sure that I cover the lesion whereas microwave it's

pretty rare depending on what device you're using for you to put more than one probe in so some people's concern with cryo in the lung is more probes means more risk of pneumothorax but you can also see surrounding and proximal to

where we did the place you can see the hemorrhage that you see so if those of you out there that are doing the lung ablations you probably have physicians that are using something called the triple freeze protocol right so the

double freeze protocol is the idea that you go ten minutes freeze five minutes 30 minutes freeze five minutes thought well what we saw was lung early on in the studies was a very large ablation a freeze to start with caused massive

hemorrhage patients were having very large amounts of hemorrhage so what we do now in lung is something called a triple freeze protocol we'll do a very short freeze about three minutes and that'll cause an ice ball to form and

then we'll thaw that in other three minutes three minutes of thawr and as soon as that starts to thaw we'll freeze it again and we've shown us a substantial decrease in the amount of hemorrhage so if you're doing long and

you and you you're told to do a double freeze protocol perhaps suggest the triple freeze is a better idea so that's three months later so another example

about massive PE so let's remember this slide 25 to 65 percent mortality what do we do with this what's our goal what's

our role as interventionalists here well we need to rescue these patients from death you know this it's a coin flip that they're going to die we need to really that there's only one job we have is to save this person's life get them

out of that vicious cycle get more blood into the left ventricle and get their systemic blood pressure up what are our tools systemic thrombolysis at the top catherine directed therapy at the right and surgical level that what

unblocked me at the left as I said before the easiest thing to do is put an IV in and give systemic thrombolysis but what's interesting is it's very much underused so this is a study from Paul Stein he looked at the National

inpatient sample database and he found that patients that got thrombolytic therapy with hypotension and this is all based on icd-10 coding actually had a better outcome than those who didn't we have several other studies that support

this but you look at this and it seems like our use of thrombolytics and massive PE is going down and I think into the for whatever reason that that the specter of bleeding is really on people's minds and and for and we're not

using systemic thrombolysis as often as we should that being said there are cases in which thrombolytics are contraindicated or in which they fail and that opens the door for these other therapies surgical unblocked demand

catheter active therapy surgical unblocked mean really does have a role here I'm not going to speak about it because I'm an interventionist but we can't forget that so catheter directed therapy all sorts

of potential options you got the angio vac device over here you've got the penumbra cat 8 device here you've got an infusion catheter both here and here you've got the cleaner device I haven't pictured the inari float

Reaver which is a great new device that's entered the market as well my message to you is that you can throw the kitchen sink at these patients whatever it takes to open up a channel and get blood to the left ventricle you can do

now that being said there is the angio jet which has a blackbox warning in the pulmonary artery I will never use it because I'm not used to using it but you talk to Alan Matsumoto Zieve Haskell these guys have a lot of experience with

the androgen and PE they know how to use it but I would say though they're the only two people that I know that should use that device because it is associated with increased death within the setting of PE we don't really know you know with

great precision why that happens but theoretically what that causes is a release of adenosine can cause bradycardia bradycardia and massive p/e they just don't mix well so

patient 40s year-old patient again car accident lower abdominal pain and bruising so it sounds like you guys can appreciate that's an injury alright so we'll move past that so here's a CT scan these are four separate images from the

same patient CT scan and it is a bit more subtle I'm not suggesting it's easy to see you know we can appreciate the injury but one thing that you should be able to notice again is that concept of symmetry so when our residence or even

myself or anybody reads a cat scan we always want to kind of appreciate all the differences in the symmetry that we're seeing and so what you can see here is especially on that upper left hand side you can see the penis coming

out of the patient almost coming out of the patient and if you just draw a line straight back from there you should notice that there's a bit more tissue on the left side of the patient than the right side of the patient but that's

what we're looking at and if you go to the image over to the right the top right image right at that same area there's a little bit of a white blush which just shows that there is some bleeding going on there and if you look

at the third image which is the one on the bottom left right below one of the bones or there's another area of a white contrast collection or bleeding all right you can maybe see that again on the fourth image so that's what we're

looking for on the CT that asymmetry or the thickening of the tissue and we're looking for an escape of some contrast from where we should expect it to be all right so many of these patients will be

unstable those are the patients that probably need to go right to the or but for the patients who are really you know doing okay we have a chance to intervene on them and the reason why that's important is the more unstable they are

the higher the chance of mortality especially with the pelvic fracture so pelvic fractures are a big deal if you have a hemodynamically unstable patient with a pelvic fracture that's something to take very seriously

all right many of these patients will get CTS or C if we see extravasation they often come to us for angiography so here's the angiogram again a great example if you only look at one picture or two pictures

you're not going to see the problem all right so if you look at the first two pictures you really don't see anything I would I would argue it looks normal but as you get to that third picture you see that kind of collection of contrast

on the bottom right-hand side of the picture all right that's why you need to look at all the pictures of the and reom not just one picture you watch them it's like watching a

little movie now you just stand there and watch it over and over again I get a sense of what it looks like at the beginning middle and end of the angiographic run or set of images the other thing is it's very hard to see

extravasation of contrast when you're in the aorta so many times we do an aorta gram we take some pictures and we may or may not see anything but if we know there's a pelvic fraction we know it's more on the left side we'll go into the

left internal iliac artery and do a more selective angiogram and here's a picture of that selective angiogram and now you can see the extrapolation even more clearly hopefully you can all see it the bottom kind of leftish part of the image

all right here's a more selective now we say okay we definitely see something now we're going to get a little bit further into the system here's a picture now it's very clear you can go if you don't see it all right so you should see it on

the bottom all right and now our goal is to just get as close as we can and so we got all the way down then we put some coils there and again our goal is to make sure that we get just into the vessel that we treat and embolize it now

people will say what agent should we use do we use gel foam do we use particles do we use coils do we use glue or onyx the truth is you can you can really use anything but the thing with the most control so for trauma we tend to use

coils for trauma alright because our goal is to deposit an embolic agent right at the site of the injury that's our goal if we use particles we don't have as much control or a liquid we don't have

as much control they could go somewhere we don't want it to go all right here you're dealing with the blood supply of the penis the rectum the bladder other things which you know most of us would prefer not be injured during an

angiogram all right so we don't want to do something that we don't have complete control over and coils give us that type of control

quick I did want to mention t-carr briefly and try to get you guys closer to back on time this is a hybrid procedure this is combining the surgical procedure we talked about first and carotid stenting it takes combined

carotid exposure at the base of the clavicle or just above the clavicle and reverses blood flow just like we talked about but tastes slightly different technique or approach to doing this and then you put the stent in from a drug

carotid access here's the components of the device right up by the neck there is where the incision is made just above the clavicle and you have this sheet that's about eight French in size that only goes in about us to 2 cm or 1 and a

half cm overall into the vessel and then that sheath is sutured to the the chest wall and then it's got a side arm that goes what's labeled number six here is this flow reversal urn enroute neuroprotection kit it reverses the

blood flow and then you get a femoral sheath in the vein right in the common femoral vein and you reverse the blood flow so this is a case a picture from our institution up on the right is the patient's neck and that's the carotid

exposure and the initial sheath is in place so the sidearm of that sheath is the enroute protection system which is going up up at the top of the image there we're gonna back bleed that let that sidearm of that sheath continue to

bleed up to the very top and then connect that to the common femoral venous sheet that we have in place there's a stepwise of that and then ultimately what we see at the end of the procedure is that filter inside that

little canister can be interrogated after and you can see the debris this is in the box D here on the bottom left the debris that we captured during the flow reversal and this is a what we call a passive and then active flow reversal

system so once the system is in place the direct exposure carotid sheath in place the flow controller and AV shunt in place you see the direction of blood flow so now all that blood flow in that common carotid artery is going reverse

direction and so when you place a sheath or wire and and ultimately through that sheath up by the carotid artery there's no risk for distal embolization because everything is flowing in Reverse here's a couple

case examples ferns from our institution this is a patient who had a symptomatic critical greater than 90% stenosis has tandems to nose he's so one proximal at the origin and one a little bit more distal we you can see the little

retractors down at the base of the image there in the sheath that's essentially the extent of the sheath from the bottom of that image into the vessel only about a cm or two post angioplasty instant patient tolerated that quite well here's

another 71 year-old asymptomatic patient greater than 90% stenosis pretty calcified lesion a little more extensive than maybe with the CT shows there's the angiography and then ultimately a post stent placement using the embolic

protection device and overall the trials have shown good good safety met profile overall compared to carotid surgery so it's a minimum minimal exposure not nearly as large the risk of stroke is less because you're not mucking around

up there you're using the best of a low profile system with flow reversal albeit with a mini surgical exposure overall we've actually have an abstract or post trip this year's meeting this is just a snapshot of that you can check it out

this is our one year experience we've had comparable low complication rates overall in our experience so in summary

other things that we look at tools that we use include the ankle and toe brachial indices those are these at blood pressure comparisons between the

arm and the foot or the toe the great first toe we use segmental pressures your blood pressures and multiple levels down the leg pulse volume recordings which look very similar with cuffs down the leg but they're looking at the size

of the leg per heartbeat PPG's which is basically pulse ox for the four individual toes TCP o2 which is very important and not used enough which is looking at the oxygen tension within the tissue itself and skin perfusion

pressure so ABI as I mentioned as a comparison the arm and the leg pressures and people with CLI often have an ABI less than point for the pressures gonna be less than 50 millimeters in mercury so the ABI may be falsely elevated

people who have chronic kidney disease because the vessels get calcified and they don't compress very well when you blow up the cuff increasing it above 0.45 after if it's been below that is somewhat predictive of wound healing but

not that helpful at the time of an angiogram so as the higher the two pressures is often used to calculate this because you have two pressures and each leg right you have it dorsalis pedis pressure that

you can get and you have posterior tibial so the way that you do in ABI is you look at the higher of the two and compare that to your arm pressure so just remember if your ulcer is being supplied by the vessel that's got the

lower pressure than your ABI is could be normal you could still have CLI so again not always that helpful the toe brachial indices is a it is a little bit more helpful people with diabetes only because the toe arteries tend not to

calcify as quickly in these patients less than 0.75 is considered abnormal and increasing it up into the normal range of course is predictive of fluid wound healing so limitations these only really look at

the macro vascular so that you know the named ves blood vessel patency they don't really tell you what's going on at the level of the capillaries and a recent meta-analysis suggests that neither of them can be consistently

relied upon as okay it came to a normal range we're definitely not gonna get an amputation now so I think I really do have to press both buttons each time so the systolic pressure measurements for segmental pressures you basically look

at the pressures on multiple levels of down the leg a drop of greater than 20 is considered significant and then severity of a number of lesions can't be totally determined from that again this only really tells you what's going on in

the named vessels pulse volume recordings these are cuffs that are looking at the volume of the limb with each pulse it's helpful and patients would they have non compressible vessels because the leg actually has a it's a

microscopic but detectable increase in size with each pulse and so this is better in people who have non compressible vessels and changes in PVR's often will actually precede angiographic findings CTA findings and

recent publication from the s from the society vascular surgery however calls into question their usefulness compared to a bi alone the good pictures are coming soon so this is an example what you may see in

the chart for some of your patients with critical limb ischemia so this is actually segmental pressure and pulse while recording from where I trained in Miami and basically what we're looking at is a combination of things on one of

these sheets so the pressures are listed in the middle but each sheet is going to be different depending on your institution so you're looking for a big drop and pressure from one level to the next so if you look for example in the

middle at the right leg you know there's a 176 in the arm and then there's a 126 in the high thigh normally because of gravity you should have an increase in flow at that level so that's already I have normal on the right side and then

progressing down any grade any drop greater than 20 suggested that something may be abnormal at that level PPG's these are really good for detecting what may be going on at the foot or lower levels so you transmit an infrared

signal through the toe and then try to see how much of that light comes out the other side essentially and so the amount of it it's depending on how much bloods in the digit and the flow the flow of the blood vessels so if you had a

previously flatlined signal then restoring a pulsatile signal is considered a and it you know an approved marker of tissue perfusion so this is essential in patients who have distal ulcers particularly in the level of the

toe because restoring you see you've probably all seen those of you that work in labs that do a lot of peripheral disease seen an angio graphic result where you get flow down to like the mid foot but you see no perfusion down to

the digits and unfortunately that's often not going to be enough to heal a wound so the PPG's are something I try to get in all patients who have tote tote ones so there's an example of a patient who

has flatline and all five digits on the right foot and we recant alized their anterior tibial artery and had flow all the way down there and there was a wound blush in the toe and this is the restore pulsatilla T in all five digits the next

day so at our institution now and also I've modeled after what it was with my training which is the day after the procedure we keep all these patients overnight we get an ABI i segmental pressures and pulsefire

recordings and PPG's and anyone who has flat waveforms in them in their foot level or anybody with a toll sir and if possible we try to get a duplex which you get which I'll go over next it's not always reimbursable at all institutions

if you do them in the same day though so TCP o2 as I mentioned is something that's a little underutilized I think the the task two recommendations that we actually use to stratify the different types of disease and perf arterial

disease suggest that all patients with CLI should have this testing done but it's hard because patients have to not smoke and not drink coffee or tea the morning of the exam and that's hard to get patients to do you have to keep the

room temperature controlled and so it's office availability is limited so an improvement values greater than forty millimeters of mercury in the area surrounding an ulcer suggests that it's going to have successful healing so we

often will do this before we take the patient for an angiogram as a baseline and then bring them back afterwards and if we're if we have a very large increase that you know that's a good sign but of course we're our goal is

usually to be greater than forty and it's one of the few of these tests that's actually useful in patients who don't have Doppler signals so this is a totally not fake wound on this right foot this is example of what it looks

like you basically put multiple probes around the area of the foot and you're testing for the different oxygen tensions skin perfusion pressures is analogous but slightly different basically you're inflating a cop over

different areas of tissue and until the blood flow stops and then slowly deflating it until you can detect light being transmitted through that area again greater than thirty values or predictive of wound healing a lot of

numbers and there will be a test at the end of this so this is a chart kind of showing the ischemic wounds healing likelihood is correlated with an increase in the skin perfusion pressure so if you're less than 30 you're

unlikely to heal if you're greater than 40 it's most likely not an excuse mcquown and you should start looking at other ideologies like venous disease or neuropath neuropathic disease or infection duplex ultrasound is extremely

so this is our MGH page we started it about a year ago check it out if you guys like it some pretty good cases we mostly post cases some policy stuff industry and changing things it's not purely cases but certainly take a look if you like it give us a follow so what

I have today is I have two cases that I picked and you know for all the thousands of cases that all these huge academic medical centers do I tried to pick a couple that might be a little interesting and that aren't being done

in all the different centers across the institution so I'll start off with the first which is an endovascular AVF creation so what's nice about this is that you know what we see so far from this is that the length of stay impact

has been certainly reduced in certainly the maturation times and the Rhian turn re intervention rates have been reduced so I'll go through this and normally wouldn't go step by step for a few things but I think you know not all

institutions are doing this yet I think that you will I do think this is going to be a shift for a lot of the dialysis patients and everybody who works anion knows what a huge impact it is the ESRD patients is just astronomical the

numbers of them it's just continuing to rise so procedural steps the first step is you're going to access the brachial vein advance the guide Y down to the ulna insert a six French sheath and perform a vena Graham and the rationale

for that of course is to make sure you don't have any issues centrally some centers do that in advance some centers don't I will mention also that the ultrasound mapping is absolutely critical to make sure that

you get the right patient you start off by seeing them in the outpatient clinic and then you're going to go and have them have vascular ultrasound to make sure you have a good candidate so the next is you're gonna access the brachial

artery same thing advance your guide wire down to the ulna from there you're gonna insert the venous side now this is one of two approved vendors that will allow you to do an endovascular creation this was a wave link it's a to stick

system and it requires two catheters which is why you see the next step is pretty much repeated but just flipping it to the arterial side so from there there's a magnetic zone it actually has like a little canoe so it's got a

backing of a ceramic sort of a space there if you can think of sort of the older or atherectomy cut home catheters that had that little carro canoe you would actually take the debris out it's very

look into that and I'll show you that in a couple of images once you align that you're gonna sort of engage the little electrode this is an RF ablation RF created type fistula so it creates a little slit between the Adri and the

vein and what happens is is that you know of course don't forget you have to ground the patient just like any RF once you get the magnets and you get the electrode alignment you're going to engage the device for two seconds and

the fistula is created and then from there a lot of centers are actually going in there embolize in one of the brachial veins and this is basically to sum some of that stuff obviously to the superficial system for draining I have

read that there are a few places that actually go back back in through the newly-created fistula like even at the time of the procedure with the 4 millimeter balloon and just sort of open that up I'm not sure that that's 100%

necessary but I'm sure all these fine people on the panel could help us with that so here you see and I skipped all the entry steps but here you can see the Venus in the arterial catheter you know in position here and there's that little

canoe thing pointed out by the arrow that I had talked about and you use fluoro to sort of align these two things when you first start doing these cases take your time the first one was over an hour and a half for us now obviously

it's about a third at that time this is the little electrode this is when it's advanced and pretty much ready to engage can you play the video for me so this is quick so what happens is you suppress the

device the electrode actually advances and as it advances towards the veena side what happens is is that it actually just creates this fistula through the RF sort of energy from there you're gonna do a post vena graph in here you can see

after we did an initial post intagram there was enough sort of flow between the PIAT brachial so we decided to embolize one and this patient was our first patient and is doing very well so far this is done on I'm gonna say just

because you know to dr. brains point I don't want to get on the hook for certain dates and patient identification but this was done in mid-march so we saw them two weeks out and we're gonna see them again another couple weeks so just

there's a couple of trials that you can read into one is the neat one is the flex trial I think the technical success is really promising at 96% the maturation days you can see there's a massive massive comparison where they

could be ready to be dialyzed in 60 days and this could be a game-changer for many patients the six-month patency rate is what I've seen in most of the reports it's around 98% compared to about 50% with the surgical place and then you can

see that this about 3.5 interactions or re interventions that are required in about 0.5 at a year's time out from this so it's really making a big difference for these patients and I think this is what we do in i/o we continue advanced

things innovate and obviously look to do things in a more timely cost-effective minimally invasive way at the beginning when these new procedures come out the devices themselves might be at a higher price point but we'll see how that goes

moving forward as more and more vendors get into the space so the second case

patient who experienced the heart attack who had right little quadrant pain after a cardiac catheterization all you like oh so here's the cat scan and what you should appreciate there is in the front of that first image which is the axial

image all right you can see the hematoma that's brewing kind of in the front you notice how all these pictures kind of look the same that's the good part about giving a lecture on bleeding and trauma because they all kind of look the same

so that's the hematoma on the front part of the pelvis and on the on the right image which is more of a coronal like looking at the patient image you can see it right near the right groin you can see that hematoma all right so our next

step was to do an angiogram and this is what the angiogram looks like who wants to volunteer what do they say all right I saw someone raise his hand over here some walk over here what do you think yeah well yes so it is a retro hematoma

would you say describe the angiogram for everybody right where it's at the external iliac down the common femoral looks like there's contrast going up to the left and down to the right probably close to where they accessed yeah

probably but so yeah probably probably too high but the other thing is that's probably a pseudoaneurysm that probably is the evidence that there was a bleed there we're not seeing Frank extrapolation of contrast in a literally

contrast pouring out but we are seeing the effects of an injury to the artery and the constraining of the the remaining normal tissue to hold on to that bleed so the question is what do we want to do no that was very good because

I fooled you it's not always embolization so sorry I lied so in today's world a lot of times when we see this type of pathology we have again relatively new technology available to us again we

could go into that pseudoaneurysm and embolize it and that would be a legitimate treatment but my friend here is right you know this is a great case for a covered stent so we could go in and put a stent right across that area

of injury and stent it so these days looking at coverage stands as an option for patients with arterial injury is a very legitimate option you just have to be able to deliver it has to be the right artery you have to be able to get

the stent where it needs to go we all work with vascular surgeons who are great and they can put these stents and iliacs and aortas but they can't make those turns into livers and kidneys and spleens it's got to be the right artery

this is this is the right artery okay we saw this patient and we said well we could kind of get a micro catheter into that area of injury and embolize it or we could just put a cover sent across it and all go home to have dinner with our

kids so that was option B is what we chose here so this is a great cover stent case okay here's another patient

I think it's important to understand what options we have in in treating patients with carotid disease or those

in our practice medical therapy is a mainstay so all these patients regardless that they get t'car carotid stenting or otherwise need to get the best medical therapy there is a role though for each of these surgical

endovascular or a hybrid such as t'car and hopefully you have a better understanding of that option and ultimately if you understand the different techniques then we can apply the best ones depending on the patient's

anatomy or current clinical scenario and and apply that to that patient thank you [Applause]

it's obviously either done with general

anesthesia or perhaps a regional block at our institution is generally done with general anesthesia we have a really combined vascular well developed combined vascular practice we work closely with our surgeons as well as

you know those who are involved in the vascular interventional space as far as the ir docs and and in this setting they would do generally general anesthetic and a longitudinal neck incision so you've got that and the need for that to

heal ultimately dissect out the internal carotid the external carotid common carotid and get vessel loops and good control over each of those and then once you have all of that you hyper NIH's the patient systemically not unlike what we

do in the angio suite and then they make a nice longer-term longitudinal incision on the carotid you spot scissors to cut those up and they actually find that plaque you can see that plaque that's shown there it's you know actually

pretty impressive if you've seen it and let's want to show an illustrative picture there ultimately that's open that's removed you don't get the entirety of the plaque inside the vessel but they get as much as they can and

then they kind of pull and yank and that's one of the pitfalls of this procedure I think ultimately is you don't get all of it you get a lot more than you realize is they're on on angiography but you don't get all of it

and whatever is left sometimes can be sometimes worse off and then ultimately you close the wound reverse the heparin and closed closed it overall and hope that they don't have an issue with wound healing don't have an issue with a

general anesthetic and don't have a stroke in the interim while they've clamped and controlled the vessel above and below so here's a case example from our institution in the past year this is a critical asymptomatic left internal

carotid artery stenosis pretty stenotic it almost looks like it's vocally occluded you can see that doesn't look very long it's in the proximal internal carotid artery you can see actually the proximal external carotid artery which

is that kind of fat vessel anteriorly also looks stenotic and so it's going to be addressed as well and this is how they treated it this is the exposure in this particular patient big incision extractors place and you can see vessel

loops up along the internal and external carotid arteries distally along some early branches of the external carotid artery off to the side and then down below in the common core artery and ultimately you get good vessel control

you clamp before you make the incision ultimately take out a plaque that looks like this look how extensive that plaque is compared to what you saw in the CT scan so it's not it's generally much more

impressive what's inside the vessel than what you appreciate on imaging but it's the focal stenosis that's the issue so ultimately if yet if the patient was a candidate stenting then you just place a stent

across that and he stabilized this plaque that's been removed and essentially plasti to that within the stent so it doesn't allow any thrombus to break off of this plaque and embolize up to the brain that's the issue of raw

it's the flow through there becomes much more turbulent as the narrowing occurs with this blockage and it's that turbulent flow that causes clot or even a small amount of clot to lodge up distally within the intrical in

terrestrial vasculature so that's the issue here at all if you don't take all that plaque out that's fine as long as you can improve the turbulent blood flow with this stent but this is not without risk so you take that plaque out which

looks pretty bad but there are some complications right so major minor stroke in death an asset which is a trial that's frequently quoted this is really this trial that was looking at medical therapy versus carotid surgery

five point eight percent of patients had some type of stroke major minor so that's not insignificant you get all that plaque out but if you know one in twenty you get a significant stroke then that's not so bad I'm not so good right

so but even if they don't get a stroke they might get a nerve palsy they might get a hematoma they may get a wound infection or even a cardiovascular event so nothing happens in the carotid but the heart has an issue because the

blockages that we have in the carotid are happening in the legs are happening in the coronary so those patients go through a stress event the general anesthetic the surgery incision whatever and then recovery from that I actually

put some stress on the whole body overall and they may get an mi so that's always an issue as well so can we do something less invasive this is actually a listing of the trials the talk is going to be available to you guys so I'm

not going to go through each of this but this is comparing medical therapy which I started with and surgery and comparing the two options per treatment and showing that in certain symptomatic patients if they have significant

stenosis which is deemed greater than 70% you may be better off treating them with surgery or stenting than with best medical therapy and as we've gotten better and better with being more aggressive with best medical therapy

this is moving a little bit but here's the criteria for treatment and so you have that available to you but really is

the take-home point is this that most of the time when we see a bleeding patient we're thinking of embolization we're thinking of going in looking for an

arterial abnormality going as far into the organ that we can embolizing that organ and trying to preserve as much flow to the normal parts of the tissue that we can to preserve the function of the organ today in the back of our minds

we're always thinking about putting covered stents across this but in some ways you realize that's a band-aid right with just you know the arteries that we put those covered sense and we're severely injured and there's always a

chance that flow can work around there so they could be leaks around covered sense so I still think embolization is a bit more definitive than cover stent placement but I find it when a growing number of patients cover sent placement

is definitely an option for these patients so I am here for ask any questions but I can also appreciate that you have a break it's been a long day so I will not get offended if none of you have questions all right perfect

yeah yeah no that's it's the nature so what what he asked here is is that GI bleed cases tends to be unsatisfying because you hear about them and then by the time you get them down to the NGO suite and you

do an angiogram they're negative and it does happen a lot you should know it's the nature of the pathology so what ends up happening is let's be honest I mean a lot of people who work in AI are just like to push things off sometimes so

they get a call for a GI bleed or they say oh let's get a bleeding scanner let's get a CTA by the time you see them at 6 or 7 hours later and they're negative because they've stopped bleeding and that's the nature of the

pathology so my personal philosophy is to get at these patients as quickly as I can I think it's just a better way to go if someone thinks they're bleeding the faster you get at them the greater the likelihood is that you're going to see

some some abnormality there and I think that's been true I think as we start to do these faster we're seeing more positive cases it might be nice to have a CT angiogram or a bleeding scan but I think by the time you see them after

that you know they're negative it's not anything you're doing wrong it's the nature of the pathology it's intermittent bleeding and that's what happens some people feel like they can give TPA to some of those patients like

they'll go into the SMA they'll give some TPA which let's be honest right all of us are saying what the hell that seems like a horrible idea and I agree with that I mean if the body has stopped the bleeding on its own why in the world

would I give a drug to dissolve the clot to start them from bleeding again so I don't like that idea but there are people that will do a bleeding you know kind of a challenge with TPA to see if they can open up something to identify

the bleeding to then go back in and embolize it I think my bias is coming through and how I answered that I don't know we don't used to out for that anything else yeah I think gelfoam has its place I think

gelfoam has its place for things like postpartum hemorrhage or you know some maybe some trauma and a younger patient but gelfoam in general is something that you're giving over a much larger area of territory so I think if you can identify

a bleed and just coil that particular bleed you're doing a better service for the patient but all these are obviously good hey let's see it in a lecture case in real life you may or may not see something so obvious and I think if you

have a patient that had some bleeding on a CT scan a bad pelvic fracture and you just didn't see it in geographically but you know something's wrong giving gelfoam is a legitimate thing to do all of us equate gel foam with a

temporary embolization effect the truth is we're not we're second guessing that a little bit and a lot of people who use gel foam feel that the extent of the inflammation that we get when we use gel foam is probably so great that even

though the embolic agent itself may go away the occlusion that we caused with the gel foam probably stays around longer than we think so I'm not so sure it's a it's a great temporary agent but I would say which we mostly limited to

postpartum hemorrhage patients yeah what's the cause of it usually it's a uterine rupture it's a vessel rupture I've gone three more questions than the leadership guy which is great anyone else yeah

well there's no doubt about it I think that IR is moving towards radial access I think 10 years from now the vast majority cases are going to be radial access it's the one area of our practice that I think I'm starting to feel my age

in I mean you know I think and you probably may see this at your own centers I think people that have been doing ephemeral access for a long time we're just more comfortable with that one of the issues that we're facing with

radial access as we begin to think about doing more radial access at our place is that we may be comfortable with it but places like the ER and the ICUs and the other areas that we're sending our patients back to are not yet skilled

enough as to how they manage those patients so our nurses are very frequently the ones to say I don't know if they're ready for us to send a radial access patient to whichever floor we're talking about so we have some work to do

to in service those the nurses on those floors as to how to take care of those patients first and until we do that I think we're going to be limited more to outpatient work with our radial access all right guys enjoy the rest of the

meeting [Applause]

thrombectomy is another popular way of treating patients there's a lot of different aspiration catheters the SPX catheter is actually not available currently in the US but what it basically is I can have the rectum a

device that spins in such backlot the Indigo thrombectomy system from penumbra is a yet another device that sucks out clot I think many of us have used that it's kind of like a vacuum cleaner but usually more like a dust

hand vac where it's going to suck up thrombus the angio vac is much more like a Hoover where you're going to use and put a patient on veno-venous bypass that requires a 22 French sheath and a 17 French sheath but that will take out

thrombus I personally prefer using NGO vac in the IVC in big large thrombus for that and not in the pulmonary arteries because it's very inflexible but it's very very useful in a few patient populations in

all of these devices there is no TPA that needs to be given you're just sucking out the clot and you're actually removing it from the patient's body rather than dissolving it and sending it downstream the drawbacks on all of these

devices is their larger access points the SP or X is around six French although that's not that much bigger penumbra device is 8 French and the as we mentioned the angio vac is 22 French

let's move on here is another patient who took a fall skiing we see a lot of these patients up in upstate New York and they presented with severe left-sided abdominal pain and here's the cat scan

all right who's up for it what do you think what looks bad you look like you're into it what do you think yeah the right the bottom right-hand side of the picture should be spleen and it just looks like a big pool of blood that's

pretty good you did pretty good spleens a little higher so we're gonna presume spleen is there Graham this is just one image one slice through the picture through the body so we're just not at the level of the spleen but that's the

kidney that's exactly right that white thing on the right side of the image of the patient's left side is the kidney and the one thing I'd like everyone who appreciates that doesn't look at all like the other side all right so when

you look at a cat-scan like this you want to look for symmetry that's really important all right that's the cool thing is we're kind of meant to be similar looking on both sides of our body and in this particular

case you can see that the left kidney has been pushed way forward in the body compared to the right side and there is a kind of a hematoma sitting in the retroperitoneum posterior behind the kidney that's bad

the other thing you should notice is if you look at that left kidney you notice that white squiggly line that doesn't belong there okay that's contrast that's not really constrained inside an artery that's extravagant of

contrast that's bad all right we don't want to see that all right again there's a grading system for renal trauma and you're gonna hear people talk about grade 1 2 3 4 injuries all right obviously as the number gets higher the

extents of the injury gets more significant all right so again here's that picture think you can appreciate that it's at least a grade 4 laceration of the kidney so we went in and we did an angiogram now we can watch these

patients we can surgically manage them by taking out their kidney in some ways that's the easy part excuse me it's a lot more elegant to try and embolize these patients if they're hemodynamically stable and can take you

know getting to angio and doing the case now in general we do embolization for patients with lower grade injuries and usually penetrating injuries a penetrating trauma that's seen on CT I think this is something that's changing

I if any of you work at high-volume trauma centers the reality is that we're doing more and more renal angiography for trauma than we used to because it's just becoming a more accepted thing for us to

be doing that all right so here's the angiogram and again I think you can notice it really correlates very well to what we saw on the CT scan you see that first image on the left and on the delayed image you see that that kind of

poorly constrained contrast going out into space now we were never really quite sure what this was if it was extravasation or if it was potentially an arteriovenous fistula with early filling of a renal vein regardless of

which it's not normal all right so what we did was we went in and we embolized and I only included this picture because I'm a big drawer during cases so when I'm working with a resident or a fellow I like to really

lay out our plan on a piece of paper and try and stick to the plan and this particular picture look really good so I included on the lecture but basically you can see that the coils the goal here for any embolization procedure

when it comes to trauma is to preserve as much of the normal organ as we can and to simply get you know to the source of the bleeding and to get it to stop and that's what we did there so what you can appreciate on this is kind of the

renal parenchyma or the tissue of the kidney is largely maintained you can see the dark black kind of blush within the kidney and all that really stands for properly working kidney all right and yet we embolize the pathology so that's

our goal here's a similar patient not

of these issues filters are generally still use or were used up until a few years ago or five years ago almost exclusively and then between five years and a decade ago there was this new concept of proximal protection or flow

reversal that came about and so this is the scenario where you don't actually cross the lesion but you place a couple balloons one in the external carotid artery one in the common carotid artery and you stop any blood flow that's going

through the internal carotid artery overall so if there's no blood flowing up there then when you cross the lesion without any blood flow there's nothing nowhere for it to go the debris that that is and then you can angioplasty and

or stent and then ultimately place your stent and then get out and then aspirate all of that column of stagnant blood before you deflate the balloons and take your device out so step-by-step I'll walk through this a couple times because

it's a little confusing at least it was for me the first time I was doing this but common carotid artery clamping just like they do in surgery right I showed you the pictures of the surgical into our directa me they do the vessel loops

around the common carotid approximately the eca and the ICA and then actually of clamping each of those sites before they open up the vessel and then they in a sequential organized reproducible manner uncle Dee clamp or unclamp each of those

sites in the reverse order similar to this balloon this is an endovascular clamping if you will so you place this common carotid balloon that's that bottom circle there you inflate you you have that clamping that occurs right

so what happens then is that you've taken off the antegrade blood flow in that common carotid artery on that side you have retrograde blood flow that's coming through from the controller circulation and you have reverse blood

flow from the ECA the external carotid artery from the contralateral side that can retrograde fill the distal common carotid stump and go up the ica ultimately then you can suspend the antegrade blood flow up the common

carotid artery as I said and then you clamp or balloon occlude the external carotid artery so now if you include the external carotid artery that second circle now you have this dark red column of blood up the distal common carotid

artery all the way up the internal carotid artery up until you get the Circle of Willis Circle of Willis allows cross filling a blood on the contralateral side so the patient doesn't undergo stroke because they've

got an intact circulation and they're able to tolerate this for a period of time now you can generally do these with patients awake and assess their ability to tolerate this if they don't tolerate this because of incomplete circle or

incomplete circulation intracranial injury really well then you can you can actually condition the patient to tolerate this or do this fairly quickly because once the balloons are inflated you can move fairly quickly and be done

or do this in stepwise fashion if you do this in combination with two balloons up you have this cessation of blood flow in in the internal carotid artery you do your angioplasty or stenting and post angioplasty if need be and then you

aspirate your your sheath that whole stagnant column of blood you aspirate that with 320 CC syringes so all that blood that's in there and you can check out what you see in the filter but after that point you've taken all that blood

that was sitting there stagnant and then you deflate the balloons you deflate them in stepwise order so this is what happens you get your o 35 stiff wire up into the external carotid artery once it's in the external cart or you do not

want to engage with the lesion itself you take your diagnostic catheter up into the external carotid artery once you're up there you take your stiff wire right so an amp lats wire placed somewhere in the distal external carotid

artery once that's in there you get your sheath in place and then you get your moment devices a nine French device overall and it has to come up and place this with two markers the proximal or sorry that distal markers in the

proximal external carotid artery that's what this picture shows here the proximal markers in the common carotid artery so there's nothing that's touched that lesion so far in any of the images that I've shown and then that's the moma

device that's one of these particular devices that does proximal protection and and from there you inflate the balloon in the external carotid artery you do a little angiographic test to make sure that there's no branch

proximal branch vessels of the external carotid artery that are filling that balloon is inflated now in this picture once you've done that you can inflate the common carotid artery once you've done that now you can take an O on four

wire of your choice cross the lesion because there's no blood flow going so even if you liberated plaque or debris it's not going to go anywhere it's just gonna sit there stagnant and then with that cross do angioplasty this is what

it looks like in real life you have a balloon approximately you have a balloon distally contrast has been injected it's just sitting there stagnant because there's nowhere for it to go okay once the balloons are inflated you've

temporarily suspends this suspended any blood flow within this vasculature and then as long as you confirm that there's no blood flow then you go ahead and proceed with the intervention you can actually check pressures we do a lot of

pressure side sheath pressure measurements the first part of this is what the aortic pressure and common carotid artery pressures are from our sheath then we've inflated our balloons and the fact that there's even any

waveform is actually representative of the back pressure we're getting and there's actually no more antegrade flow in the common carotid artery once you've put this in position then you can stent this once the stent is in place and you

think you like everything you can post dilated and then once you've post dilated then you deflate your balloon right so you deflate your all this debris that's shown in this third picture is sitting there stagnant

you deflate the external carotid artery balloon first and then your common carotid artery and prior to deflating either the balloons you've aspirated the blood flow 320 CC syringes as I said we filter the contents of the third syringe

to see if there's any debris if there's debris and that third filter and that third syringe that we actually continue to ask for eight more until we have a clean syringe but there's no filter debris out because

that might tell us that there's a lot of debris in this particular column of blood because we don't want to liberate any of that so when do you not want to use this well what if the disease that you're dealing with extends past the

common carotid past the internal carotid into the common carotid this device has to pass through that lesion before it gets into the external carotid artery so this isn't a good device for that or if that eca is occluded so you can't park

that kampf balloon that distal balloon to balloon sheath distally into the external carotid artery so that might not be good either if the patient can't tolerate it as I mentioned that's something that we assess for and you

want to have someone who's got some experience with this is a case that it takes a quite a bit of kind of movement and coordination with with the physician technologists or and co-operators that

now other causes this is a little bit different different scenario here but it's not always just as simple as all

there's leaky valves in the gonadal vein that are causing these symptoms this is 38 year old Lafleur extremity swelling presented to our vein clinic has evolved our varicosities once you start to discuss other symptoms she does have

pelvic pain happiness so we're concerned about about pelvic congestion and I'll mention here that if I hear someone with exactly the classic symptoms I won't necessarily get a CT scan or an MRI because again that'll give me secondary

evidence and it won't tell me whether the veins are actually incompetent or not and so you know I have a discussion with the patient and if they are deathly afraid of having a procedure and don't want to have a catheter that goes

through the heart to evaluate veins then we get cross-sectional imaging and we'll look for secondary evidence if we have the secondary evidence then sometimes those patients feel more comfortable going through a procedure some patients

on the other hand will say well if it's not really gonna tell me whether the veins incompetent or not why don't we just do the vena Graham and we'll get the the definite answer whether there's incompetence or not and you'll be able

to treat it at the same time so in this case we did get imaging she wanted to take a look and it was you know shame on me because it's it's a good thing we did because this is not the typical case for pelvic venous congestion what we found

is evidence of mather nur and so mather nur is compression of the left common iliac vein by the right common iliac artery and what that can do is cause back up of pressure you'll see her huge verax here and here for you guys

huge verax in that same spot and so this lady has symptoms of pelvic venous congestion but it's not because of valvular incompetence it's because of venous outflow obstruction so Mather 'nor like I mentioned is compression of

that left common iliac vein from the right common iliac artery as shown here and if you remember on the cartoon slide for pelvic congestion I'm showing a dilated gonna delve a non the left here but in this case we have obstruction of

the common iliac vein that's causing back up of pressure the blood wants to sort of decompress itself or flow elsewhere and so it backed up into the internal iliac veins and are causing her symptoms along with her of all of our

varicosities and just a slide describing everything i just said so i don't think we have to reiterate that the treatments could you go back one on that I think I did skip over that treatments from a thern er really are also endovascular

it's really basically treating that that compression portion and decompressing the the pelvic system and so here's our vena Graham you can see that huge verax down at the bottom and an occluded iliac vein so classic Mather nur but causing

that pelvic varicosity and the pelvic congestion see huge pelvic laterals in pelvic varicosities once we were able to catheterize through and stent you see no more varicosity because it doesn't have to flow that way it flows through the

way that that it was intended through the iliac vein once it's open she came back to clinic a week later significant improvement in symptoms did not treat any of the gonadal veins this was just a venous obstruction causing the increased

pressure and symptoms of pelvic vein congestion how good how good are we at

different applications renal ablation is very common when do we use it

high surgical risk patients primary metastatic lesions some folks are actually refused surgery nowadays and saying I'll have a one centimeter reno lesion actually want this in lieu of surgery people have

familial syndromes they're prone to getting a renal cancer again so we're trying to preserve renal tissue it is the most renal parenchymal sparing modality and obviously have a single kidney and a lot of these are found

incidentally when they're getting a CT scan for something else here's a very sizable one the patient that has a cardiomyopathy can see how big the heart is so it's you know seven centimeter lesion off of the left to superior pole

against the spleen this patient wouldn't have tolerated bleeding very much so we went ahead and embolized it beforehand using alcohol in the pide all in a coil and this is what it looks like when you have all those individual ice probes all

set up within the lesion and you can see the ice forming around I don't know how well it projects but in real time you can determine if you've developed your margin we do encompass little bit of spleen with that and you can see here

that you have a faint rim surrounding that lesion right next to the spleen and that's the necrotic fat that's how you know that you got it all and just this ablation alone caused a very reactive pleural

effusion that you can see up on the CT over there so imagine how this patient would have tolerated surgery pulmonary

kind of the embolic protection because I think with carotid artery stenting the stents there's a lot of different types they're all self expanding for the most

part and there's not a lot to talk about there but there is with regards to embolic protection and there so there's distal and violent protection where you have this where that blue little sheath in the common carotid artery you got a

wire through the ica stenosis and a little basket or filter distally before you put the stent in early on they used to think oh maybe we'll do distal balloon occlusion put a balloon up distally do your intervention aspirate

whatever collects behind the balloon and then take the balloon down not so ideal because you never really asked for it a hundred percent of the debris and then whatever whenever you deflate the balloon it goes back it goes up to the

brain you still have some embolic phenomenon in the cerebral vascular churn and then there's this newer concept of proximal protection where you use either flow reversal reverse the blood flow in the cerebral circulation

or you actually cause a stagnant column of blood in the ica so you can't get you don't get anything that embolize is up distally but you have this stagnant column the debris collects there you aspirate that actively before you take

down the balloons that are in position in the X carotids and common carotid artery and then you take everything out so let's walk through each of these if you really wanted to pick out the perfect embolic

protection device it's got to be relatively easy to use it's got to be stable in position so it's not moving up and down and causing injury to the vessel but even while it's in place cerebral perfusion is maintained so that

balloon the distal balloon not a great idea because you're cutting off all the blood flow to the brain you might stop something from embolizing up distally but in the process of doing that you may patient may not tolerate that you want

complete protection during all aspects of the procedure so when we place a filter as you'll see just crossing the lesion with the initial filter can cause a distal embolus so that's a problem you want to be able to use your guide wire

choice as many of you know when we go through peripheral vasculature there's your go-to wires but it doesn't always work every time with that one go-to wire so you want to be able to pick the wire that you want to use or

change it up if needed for different lesions so if you get to use your wire of choice then then that's gonna be a better system than something that's man deter and then if you have a hard time using that wire to get across the lesion

you have a problem overall and then ultimately where do you land that protection device and a few diagrams here to help illustrate this generally speaking these distal embolic protection these filters that go beyond

the lesion have been used for quite a while and are relatively safe you can see them pretty easily and geographically they have little markers on them that signify if they're open or closed and we look for that overall and

blood flows through them it's just a little sieve a little basket that collects really tiny particles micrometers in size but allows blood flow to pass through it so you're not actually causing any cessation of blood

flow to the brain but you are protecting yourself from that embolic debris and it's generally well tolerated overall we had really good results in fact when not using this device there's a lot of strokes that were occurring in use of

this device dramatic reduction so a significant improvement in this procedural area by utilization of embolic protection however distal embolic protection or filter devices are not a perfect APD as you as you may know

those of you have been involved in carotid stenting there is no cerebral protection when you cross the lesion if you have a curlicue internal carotid artery this filter doesn't sit right and and ultimately may not cause

good protection or actually capture everything that breaks off the plaque and it can be difficult to deliver in those really tortuous internal carotid arteries so ultimately you can cross the lesion but you may not get this filter

up if you don't get the filter up you can't put the stent then ultimately you're out of luck so you gotta have a different option filters may not provide complete cerebral protection if they're not fully opposed and again it does

allow passage of really tiny particles right so your blood cells have to be able to pass but even though it's less than about a hundred microns may be significant enough to cause a significant stroke if it goes to the

right basket of territory so it's not perfect protection and then if you have so much debris you can actually overload the filter fill it up in tile and entirely and then you have a point where when you capture the filter there's some

residual debris that's never fully captured either so these are concerns and then ultimately with that filter in place you can cause a vessel dissection when you try to remove it or if it's bouncing up and down without good

stability you can cause spasm to the vessel as well and so these are the things that we look for frequently because we want to make sure that ultimately if we just sent the lesion but we don't believe the vessel distal

to it intact and we're going to have a problem so here's some kind of illustrated diagrams for this here's a sheath in the common carotid artery you see your plaque lesion in the internal carotid artery and you're trying to

cross this with that filter device that's what's the picture on the right but as you're crossing that lesion you're you're liberating a little plaque or debris which you see here and during that period of time until the filters in

place you're not protected so all that debris is going up to the brain so there's that first part of the procedure where you're not protected that's one of the pitfalls or concerns particularly with very stenotic lesions or friable

lesions like this where you're not protected until that filters in place that first step you never are protected in placement of a filter here's an example where you have a torturous internal carotid artery so you see this

real kink these are kinds of carotid internal carotid arteries that we can see and if you place that filter in that bend that you can see right at the bend there the bottom part the undersurface of the carotid doesn't have good wall

my position of the filter so debris can can slip past the filter on the under under surface of this which is a real phenomenon and you can see that you can say well what if we oversize the filter if you oversize the filter then it then

it just oval eyes Azure or it crimps and in folds on itself so you really have to size this to the specific vessel that you plan to target it in but just the the physics of this it's it's a tube think about a balloon a balloon doesn't

conform to this it tries to straighten everything out this isn't going to straighten the vessel out so it doesn't fully conform on the full end of the filter and you have incomplete a position and therefore

incomplete filtration so this is another failure mode I mentioned before what if it gets overloaded so here's a diagram where you have all this debris coming up it's filling up the really tiny tiny particles go past it because this little

micro sieve allows really small particles to go distal but approximately it's overloaded so now you get all this debris in there you place your stent you take your retrieval filter or catheter to take this filter out and all that

stuff that's sitting between the overloaded filter and your stent then gets liberated and goes up to the brain so you got to worry about that as well I mentioned this scenario that it builds up so much so that you can't get all the

debris out and ultimately you lose some and then when the filter is full and debris particles that are suspended near the stent or if you put that filter too close to the edge of the stent you run into problems where it may catch the

stent overall and you have all of this debris and it looks small and you don't really see it and geographically obviously but ultimately is when you do a stroke assessment and it's not always devastating strokes but mild symptoms

where he had a stroke neurologist and the crest trial or most of the more recent clinical trials we actually evaluate a patient and notice that they had small maybe sub sub clinical or mild strokes that were noted they weren't

perhaps devastating strokes but they had things that caused some degree of disability so not insignificant here's a case example of a carotid stent that was done this is a case out of Arizona proximal carotid

stenosis stent placed but then distal thrombus that developed in this case and had post rhombus removal after the epd was removed so there's thrombus overloaded the the filter you can see the filter at the very top of the center

image you can see the sort of the shadow of the embolic protection device there distally aspirated that took the filter out and then ultimately removed but you can imagine that amount of thrombus up in the brain would have been a

devastating stroke and this is what the filter looks like in real life so this is what the debris may look like so it's not this is not overloaded but that's significant debris and you can see the little film or sieve that's on the

distal part of this basket and that's what captures the debris any of that in the brain is gonna leave this patient with a residual stroke despite a successful stenting procedure so this is what we're trying to avoid so in spite

so my name is Paul I'm one of the nurse practitioners from UCI Irvine healthcare and what am i one of our minerals in there is basically working on patients for consultations doing the patient rounds writing notes ordering labs etc we also have several clinics that we run

at UCI Medical Center involving patients needing consultations for Libra direct therapies ablations and so forth and one of the more recent clinic that we started running is basically treating patients with BPH and so what we would

know inspiration is basically treating and regarding their symptoms and the procedures pretty much called a prostate artery embolization so the main purpose of this patient excuse me the main purpose of this

topics is basically to provide the general information of what the procedures are about illustrating indications risk and to hopefully help our nursing staff to better take care of these patients sorry so first and

foremost I just wanted to thank my team UC Irvine for allowing me to take some time off of work and enjoying Austin and its many food and object and and allowing me to speak to you guys a little bit about prostate ammo on our

pitchers basically you can't I don't know laser printer but our physicians dr. Karen Nelson she's one of our chief of IR dr. Dan through Fernando dr. Nadine a bitch day and dr. James Castro thesis

he's got daughter Kat Reese is our main doctor that does most of our process embolization our excellent iron nursing team and of course my fellow nurse practitioners who is holding the fort back home Pamela and Takara and watch

and Lou sorry but so our objectives for discussions basically to illustrate the indications and benefits of prostate artery embolization we're going to go over the side effects and risk complications associated with this

procedure and also recognize the value of nursing care going starting from the workup leading to the proper process in trot process and post procedure care sort of a brief outline of what we're gonna be

talking about we're just gonna go over the basic fundamentals of BPH as well as the treatment for PAE and the second portion of this lecture is going over how we walk patients up in clinic what we tell patients and we're gonna go

through the proper care and drop care ask well ask the post-op care and we're going to go through a couple of cases in there it's just to describe to you guys how we care for these special population

all right another patient 52 year old patient ATV accident we get a lot of

lunatics on ATVs in our area and they presented with severe back pain here's the cat scan you see that white thing kind of in the back on the right side it almost looks exactly like that liver one I showed you two patients ago the

difference is that that's not conscious that's a part of the patient's bone that's the spine that fractured off and is now sitting in the middle of a big hematoma so that's why my kids don't have ATVs all right so basically that's

a big retroperitoneal hematoma due to a transverse process fracture all right in light of an ATV injury here's the angiogram now look at the picture on the left first that's an aorta gram you see the renal

artery at the top you see the bifurcation of the aorta kind of in the middle going down to each side and maybe just on that first image you see a hint of maybe some cloudy extravasated on the left side of the spine excuse me the

right side of the spine the left side of the image now remember I just I know I keep hammering this point home but you need the delayed image to make the diagnosis that's normally going to tell you if there's a real problem and on

that image on the right which is a bit more delayed you can see the extravagant Rast next to where the spine was that's an injury that's a lumbar artery injury and as we get closer all right we put a micro catheter in that lumbar artery now

you see the extraction and the question always comes up how much of that space do we need to fill that's an abnormal space that's just receiving all the blood that's leaking out of the artery and basically we don't have to fill all

of it we try we try to but it takes a lot to fill that up so we'll go in there you can see we put a lot of coils in this space and then we started packing coils back into the artery that was injured and I know it looks really big

on that image but if you go back into a finally orna gram you can appreciate that we were in a very small artery there but the technology that we have now allows us to get very far into very small arteries and that I think is

what's changed over the 20 years that I've been doing this at the very beginning of my career we wouldn't think about doing any of these things since we didn't have the tools to get that far out we had to

embolize these vessels very close to their origin and that led to a failure rate and an adverse injury rate that we don't see now that we can get this far out keypoint another case we have an older

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